Talk:List of territories acquired by the Empire of Japan

Notes

For starters, I don't think many people are going to agree that continuing Japanese rule over Okinawa or Hokkaido constitutes imperialism. A more comprehensive description of Japanese history, expansionism, as well as current situation is certainly needed.

See the article "Imperialism" or articles on "History of American Imperialism". California and Texas and Hawaii are included in these lists. How is the expansion of Japanese north and south any different?

Well, History of American Imperialism does a good job of explaining that some of the article's views are not universally accepted, such as "According to some of those who argue the U.S. has been imperialistic, the first step on the road to imperialism was the conquest of the Native American peoples who inhabited North America.. Others argue that there is a difference between expansionism and imperialism." I see no such effort in this article, and a quick search on the web reveals that Okinawa and Hokkaido are not universally accepted as examples of Japanese imperialism. Atsi Otani 01:27, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Accepted or not (and you should ask Okinawans and Ainu how much they accept it!) is not the point. See the Imperialism article, where many argue that acceptance of territorial claims only shows an example of successful imperialism, unlike the failed imperialism of say Britain, which was eventually forced to give up territory. If there are objections, they can be raised in a "criticism" section if you like, much like the US example you cite.

Alright, I'll try to find if I can write anything of that nature, but I'll need time to research. In the meantime, could you expand this article and provide some nice explanations that make things easier for the average reader? Atsi Otani 12:37, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

If there are counter views they should be presented, just like the History of American Imperialism page. Willowx 09:32, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Also, much of this material is already covered under other articles. Perhaps this article can be merged into those articles, or some information can be brought in from those articles? -- ran (talk) 22:23, May 7, 2005 (UTC)

This is intended to be a list. As a list ,it should provided comprehensive information of the history of Japanese imperialism and all of the territories it contained. Other pages do not provide this function. See also pages vis-a-vis the United States, where such list pages are common. "List of Us interventions since 1945" for example. I think this serves an important function as many people are simply unaware that Japan once occupied New Guinea or Taiwan, for example, or that Okinawa was once an independent country.

Well, if you want this article to be a list, I believe it would be less confusing if you named it something like "List of areas occupied under Japanese imperialism". That said, I strongly agree with Ran and feel that this article should be merged with articles such as Empire of Japan and Japanese nationalism. Atsi Otani 01:31, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

How about merging Empire of Japan with this article, not vice versa. Empire of Japan seems to times specific, namely the post Meiji era until WWII. And Nationalism is a related yet different problem. For example, today there is a nationalist movement in Japan, but few think that they intend to begin a new imperialism.

I think I get your point. I think you mean the article Empire of Japan doesn't cover the topic sufficiently, because it doesn't deal with stuff before the Meiji Restoration or after WW2. Is this correct? In that case, I take back my suggestion to merge the article, and would like to ask you to expand the article to clarify the difference. It would provide knowledge on this topic for readers and prevent editors from arguing over things like this in the future. If you think this should remain a list, my renaming suggestion stands. (just a suggestion) Atsi Otani 12:37, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Yes, exactly. Empire of Japan (dainipponteikoku) was a specific historical era, not the general topic of "imperialism" (whatever that means). Willowx 14:07, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Double standards

If this page is deleted, than the duplicate articles on "US imperialism" should be as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_United_States_imperialism or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._foreign_interventions_since_1945 Any suggestion that Japan is imperialist is immediatey brought up for deletion, while different standards of proof are held for other nations. why is that?

Vote for Deletion

This article survived a Vote for Deletion. The discussion can be found here. -Splash 20:41, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

“North Korea”?

North Korea was not an independent state at the outbreak of WWII. Nor was South Korea.

Why are Taiwan and Korea listed twice? It's not like they have been invaded / occupied / annexed twice, is it? Wikipeditor 11:16, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

BTW: what distinction DO the authors of this list have in mind between 'annexed' and 'occupied'? Don't you generally have to annex before you can occupy? 64.134.238.122 (talk) 23:28, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Midway

Japan never occupied Midway, so this should be taken off the list Masterblooregard (talk) 22:39, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Japanese Antarctic territory

Is there any source that a "Japanese Antarctic territory" ever existed? Otherwise I would remove it from the article. -- 85.181.61.64 (talk) 19:33, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Total land area?

I've had a pretty difficult time finding how much actual *land* area was controlled, in total, by Imperial Japan at the height of WWII. The article Empire of Japan lists 766,027 sq mi, however that's only in 1938. Can someone please find this info and add it to this article? Coinmanj (talk) 03:48, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Proposing merger of duplicate article List_of_territories_acquired_by_the_Empire_of_Japan into Territorial_conquests_of_the_Empire_of_Japan. Merger would not cause any article-size or weighting problems.Linhart.stephen (talk) 07:21, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

• Support: Lot of overlap in both articles. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 16:56, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
• Support, noting List of territories acquired by the Empire of Japan is the older article by quite a few years. CMD (talk) 07:50, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

What about Attu and Kiska, Alaska?

They were definitely occupied... Stardude82 (talk) 19:22, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

Maximum extent of the Japanese empire

Isn't the bottom of the map cropped? Aren't there additional occupied territories to be included like the Solomon Islands and Papua New Guinea? patsw (talk) 22:01, 12 October 2024 (UTC)