Talk:List of terrorist incidents in 2014

User:Andak01

Missing Honduran death squads Mass school shootings Mexican drug cartel Basically, the article defines terrorism as murder or kidnapping done by Muslims.

School shootings are largely apolitical. Information regarding specific incidents by the other two is hard to come by,, people don't report about them very much, I checked. Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 13:42, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

User:Kristijh

The terrorist attacks in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan should be removed from this list and moved to Terrorist incidents in Pakistan in 2014, Terrorist incidents in Iraq in 2014 and the Terrorist incidents in Afghanistan in 2014

Eurocentric page

If this is including state terrorism, why aren't attacks on Palestinian citizens by Israeli forces, or drone strikes on Afghani and/or Pakistani citizens taken into account? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.109.255.43 (talk) 06:58, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Could it be because they don't fit the proper definition of "terrorism"? Dictionary.com's definition Occam's Shaver (talk) 04:57, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Canadian attacks and sources?

I'd like to ask quickly why the Canadian attacks that happened this year are not on the list, neither the vehicular attack in Quebec or the 2014 shootings at Parliament Hill, when you also have the 2014 Queens hatchet attack? And also can I quickly shoehorn in if you also use the Global Terrorism Database by START? [1] (Also sorry if this is bad, this is literally the first thing I've done on wikipedia) YingBlanc (talk) 16:24, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

I agree that the two attacks on Canada are as noteworthy as any of the US attacks listed. Legacypac (talk) 06:17, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Oh, so it's you who added things not in sources and deleted material disputing the "terrorist line" on the Ottawa articles.....using false/misleading edit comments no less, and fake claims on the talkpage, and being hostile towards other views of these events than the "official line" which you so clearly favour. START is a POV source, also, YingBlanc; and the equation/comparison to the Queens hatchet attack is only in an op-ed sense; other op-eds have noted that the 2014 Moncton shootings were identifiably terrorism but the government and police have not used the word "terrorism" in relation to that event because the perp was a conservative Christian extremist. Go ahead and add them back, but be advised that both are disputed by Canadian media and commentators as being about more to do with mental health issues and the "terrorist" label is viewed, and citable, as being pushed as government and police tub-thumping to justify Patriot Act-style legislation.....and t hat the use of "terrorist" as a synonym, more and more meaning "Islamist" rather than anything else is also rife in COI/POV sources like START.....and that conservative pols and commentors in Canada refer to native and environmental protestors/movement ins Canada so it's anything but a non-controversial term.....the anti-frackign violence by RCMP at Elsipogtog, NB this year was also decried as "state terrorism" and the pols in reference to that also referred to the protests there as "terrorism"; if there's a list of "mental health issues-related incidents in 2014" these would belong equally there. But if you re-include these (you'll find my deletion of them in the history of this list) then you should include Moncton...and Elsipogtog. Not everything reaches the US papers or the propaganda-spew of their "take" on Canada there.....Skookum1 (talk) 10:22, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Re-including them without mention of the debate/dispute in Canada as to their true nature (Mulcair "criminal acts", Cirillo's girlfriend and countless others "mental health issues") would be highly POV.Skookum1 (talk) 10:29, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

And given your comment "And also can I quickly shoehorn in if you also use the Global Terrorism Database by START? [1] (Also sorry if this is bad, this is literally the first thing I've done on wikipedia) " I gotta ask why can you quickly "shoehorn in" material from the START site/organization.... if you have an affiliation with them, it should be disclosed...and why is it that this is the first thing you have ever done on Wikipedia? Why so important to you??Skookum1 (talk) 10:31, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Skookum, and I'm not part of START, I was just saying "shoehorn in" as more saying it's a minor point of call I also want to raise up, not part of my main question. I can agree that START is POV and I also agree that terrorism =/= Islamist, but I'm just wondering what is POV about START? Also I wouldn't include the Hatchet attack in the listings personally, but if your saying that they can all be added as long as toy make mention of their disputed label. As to your question as why this was my first edit, I just felt that a lot of entries were missing, and admittedly I do find the statistics and such behind terrorism interesting, I doubt I'll continue on with Wikipedia once I feel the entries that were missing were added, like we're missing an entire September section. If I am doing anything that is frowned upon in this community, I'm sorry and it's not intentional, I'm learning slowly. YingBlanc (talk) 20:23, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

"State attacks"

Can we define this term for me? Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 21:50, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Sydney Hostage Crisis

Reliable sources have been very careful about not calling this a terrorist incident. There has been a discussion about this at Talk:2014 Sydney hostage crisis. This is perhaps similar to the Canadian parliament hill incident, which is not included here. If anyone has reliable sources for naming it as such, happy to see them, but otherwise it should not be included here. Anyone disagree? Melcous (talk) 09:06, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

• Well major newspapers around the country referred to it as a terrorist attack such as the Herald Sun of Victoria. The police themselves considered it a terrorist attack. I don't know what more proof is needed when the police themselves considered it as one. (124.180.10.81 (talk) 23:34, 21 December 2014 (UTC))

• Disagree - should be included "Professor Greg Barton, international director of the Global Terrorism Research Centre and director of the Centre for Islam and the Modern World argued that Monis fits the profile of a lone wolf terrorist." <http://www.aa.com.tr/en/news/437309--australian-expert-warns-of-lone-wolf-terror-risk> Sam56mas (talk) 04:26, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

• The Canadian attack entries were also removed unilaterally, yet both articles now give the attack type as terrorism. Presumably the Canadians worked this out. I've re-added the entries.

The Sydney attack is well cited as both terrorism and not terrorism. It seems the most neutral thing to do is include it as well. I have re-added it, with references. --pmj (talk) 06:10, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

The article on the Sydney siege does NOT give the attack type as terrorism, nor nclude it in the category "terrorist incidents". The debate around whether it was terrorism is discussed in that article (although I would say not particularly well at this point), but this article should reflect the discussion and consensus there which at this point is to not include it in categories or series listing it as terrorism. I'm also not sure how including here can be considered a "neutral" option, surely neutral would be to not include, whereas inclusion indicates an active decision to categorise it as such. Melcous (talk) 14:43, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Experts are variously describing the incident in Sydney as lone-wolf terrorism, as grassroots-terrorism, as a new generation of terrorism. One argument for removal is that the incident has not been universally accredited as 'terrorism' by some nominated (by whom?) authority. If this Sydney incident is to be rejected as terrorism, on the same basis many of the other terrorist attacks listed on this Wiki page will also have to be rejected and removed.Sam56mas (talk) 00:59, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

Resorting to fear tactics and ad hominem? --George Ho (talk) 03:44, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Attacks in the West Bank and Golan Heights

I have removed "Israel" and the flag from attacks in the West Bank and Golan Heights. They are occupied territory. There were other attacks in Jerusalem that are listed here as in Israel but that issue is more complicated. However, East Jerusalem is clearly not in Israel either but rather a part of the West Bank. So regarding the October 2014 Jerusalem vehicular attack, the statement that it is "in Israel" and the flag must be removed. --IRISZOOM (talk) 19:30, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Any objection to me rearranging the list's columns with the 2015 ones?

Meaning:

I will remove the "State/Non State" columns. There were only three attacks that say an attack was made by State factor. I will add "Part of" with the conflict the attack is related to.

--Bolter21 (talk to me) 19:27, 25 October 2015 (UTC)