Talk:List of towns and villages in the Republic of Ireland

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By just looking at the List of towns in the Republic of Ireland article you can see how many Irish Towns have either short stubs or no article at all. Its a very basic thing - like which is more basic an article on Bosco or Virginia? So im going to start creating new articles and updating existing ones. Only problem is I can't offer that much knowledge other than whats on maps, in the census or easily found on the net for most towns - so I need plenty of help... --CGorman 20:37, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Agreed, but in some cases links may simply need to be updated. It might be a good idea to approach the problem on a county-by-county basis or by significance of town. Also used the [[Category:Towns in the Republic of Ireland]] category for each town. Djegan 20:01, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Initial work

I've added the [[Category:Towns in the Republic of Ireland]] category to all 'live' links. I focused on my own county first, filling in towns like Delvin, Rochfordbridge, Tyrrellspass etc. (ableit making extensive use of the {{stub}} message!). Next I updated some of the links such as Ashbourne, Mallow, Tipperary etc. Then I picked off a few towns at random filling in basic things like the Irish name, location, main roads, railines, and aminities like castles, golf courses etc. The only problem is, whenever I refer to my map, I spot a reasonably large town thats missing! I'll continue adding little bits over the next few weeks (the fact that I got broadband yesterday will help), but I cannot give that much information on many towns. --CGorman 20:42, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Im happy to say all articles at List of towns in the Republic of Ireland now have an article (or at least a short stub) and that they conform to some sort of uniformity. Thanks to Zoney for his help. Anyways, next task is filling in articles for towns still unlisted - (such as those at County Kilkenny and County Cork) and to expand the stubs. --CGorman 19:55, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Expanding the workload

CGorman might be a wee bit upset, but I'm gradually filling out the "List of towns" with more entries, taken from the counties' main towns lists on their pages. I'm fixing up the blue link town articles, but leaving the missing ones missing for now. Some towns are more obscure, but many large ones made their entry onto the page, e.g. Blarney. Finally, I suggest we afterwards turn our attention to the List of towns in Northern Ireland.

If someone could enlighten me as to the Irish for Barleycove (Which I'm not sure counts as a town), I'd be happy.

zoney ♣ talk 10:00, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

CGorman might be a wee bit upset, but I'm gradually filling out the "List of towns" with more entries, taken from the counties' main towns lists on their pages. - well I was going to add those towns to the list aswell anyways... I just had'nt got around to it! Anyways, i'll try and create stubs (with location, irish, and aminities) for those towns... and increasingly villages, soon. For the moment im over at wikibooks... so I probably won't do anything till the weekend. --CGorman 21:01, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

OK, all the red links are gone now - everything has a stub - so now its time to expand the stubs. --CGorman 16:55, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

A lot done, more to do, to copy a phrase :-) I'm sorry I didn't announce this before all those red links were cleared, but I'm actually adding specific categories to the towns now, not just Category:Towns in the Republic of Ireland. There's Category:Towns in Cork for example, eventually I'll have all the counties/towns done. Also, I've only gotten as far as Limerick in copying towns onto the list of towns in the Republic of Ireland page. I'm working down through the counties in the order of the counties template. zoney ♣ talk 20:41, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Well i'll try and keep up with you in creating new stubs! --CGorman 21:45, 28 Sep 2004 (UTC)

• Even though zoney is on hiatus and CGorman is more involved with Wikinews than our little world, we've added a whole bunch more town links from the county pages and significant pages of interest. So if anyone wants to take up creating stubs and destubbing existing stubs, adding pictures, infobox, etc. It's all right here! --ℬastique▼^talk 12:40, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

RE: Irish for Barleycove - Bá na hEornan. --MacTire02 (talk) 10:26, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Expanded articles

A proud moment for me: I just created a stub for Sallins, the only red link on the list I know anything about. I also added it to the todo list for expansion as it's only three lines. Filiocht 12:40, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)

I've put some more information into Lucan, County Dublin and will add more around Dublin when I see relevance of my knowledge. I also linked some more pre-existing Dublin pages I found into the category Category:Towns and suburbs in Dublin. Should I manually add them to List of towns in the Republic of Ireland also? There's a few towns eg Donnybrook which act as a disambig page as well as having information on the Dublin area, not sure whether to include these or split out the Dublin related info into a separate stub. Jlang 14:01, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Half-finished work

I hope you'll note that I've only gotten as far as "M" in checking articles and adding to the to-do list in the appropriate section. I've also been moving "Townname, Ireland" articles to "Townname, County Countyname" for consistency. Anyone else is free to go through some of the remaining town articles to be checked. zoney ♣ talk 16:12, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

This has been finished for a while. I'm adjusting the to-do list as articles are expanded. I'm keeping the ones which have been worked on already, just to show what has been accomplished. zoney ♣ talk 14:03, 5 Nov 2004 (UTC)

This is a really great piece of work, Zoney. You've done the country proud. Filiocht 14:29, Nov 5, 2004 (UTC)

Stub for Ireland

Please help changing the {{geo-stub}} tags in these articles to the more useful {{Ireland-geo-stub}} .

If anyone knows how to get a software robot to do this, that would be great too. Change any article with the word Ireland and a {{geo-stub}} tag, then we could revert any incorrect ones (should be very few). Seabhcan 14:04, 9 Nov 2004 (UTC)

The template {{Ireland-geo-stub}} is in fact a better one to use, as it avoids a redirect ({{Ireland-place-stub}} simply redirects to it. A separate {{NorthernIreland-geo-stub}} exists for stub articles dealing with the geography of the six counties. Grutness...wha? 03:44, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

New town in ireland infobox template

Updated 2005.05.23. Please disregard previous information!

List of towns and villages in the Republic of Ireland
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Hi all... I created an infobox and am currently working on towns in County Mayo. TIt's at Template:Ireland_town_infobox and the format to use it is as follows:

 {{ie citytown infobox|
 town_name       = Ballina |
 Irish_name      = Béal an Átha |
 crest_image     = Image:Ballina crest.png |
 county_name     = Mayo |
 north_coord     = 54.1167| 
 west_coord      =  9.1667|
 town_elevation  = 7m |
 pin_coords      =  left: 90px; top: 37px|
 irish_grid      = G240192 |
 town_pop        = 9,478 (2002) |
 rural_pop       = 1,087 (2002) |
 }}

If you don't have a town crest, don't leave out the "crest_image" field, just leave it blank, like so:

 crest_image = |

--ℬastique▼^talk 08:45, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

• I modified the variables with regard to coordinates. Now uses Wiki standard system. --ℬastique▼^talk 17:36, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

I added Irish Grid into the template. Variable "irish_grid"

Redid the entire template. All towns that used the previous template are now using Template:ie citytown infobox ℬastique▼^talk 01:29, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Town populations/Irish 2002 Census

For anyone who is doing a town (or city) article, I've uploaded a list of town population figures, sorted alphabetically, as reported by the 2002 Irish Census. You can find this list here: List of towns in the Republic of Ireland/2002 Census Records

The Original information can be viewed here: Central Statistics Office Ireland

ℬastique▼^talk 03:48, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

The 2006 Census details have been added here List of towns in the Republic of Ireland/2006 Census Records Perryn (talk) 03:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Move/rename page

I suggest the page be moved, as it is basically "places" in the Republic of Ireland, not just towns. It includes cities, villages and parts of cities/suburbs/former towns.

If there is some strict definition of a town in ROI, a seperate sublist should be created.

zoney ♣ talk 15:24, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Augher

The link to this town goes to the Augher in Co. Tyrone which is in N. Ireland. Is there another Augher? If so there needs to be disabiguation. Peter Clarke 09:16, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Villages

Can u put in small villages? Techo 09:29, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes. But not mere townlands - they must be a recognised village. (Sarah777 22:50, 8 August 2007 (UTC))

And so, and see (Move/rename page) above, can this be renamed to Settlements in RoI, or Towns and Villages, or something more accurate? In the way most people understand the term, most of the places listed are not towns. And this small discussion highlights that villages are explicitly included. I gather that this is more of a worklist than an encyclopedia item but even so. And High priority? For a non-informational, non-encyclopedic item? Skir77 13:32, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

I see I made this "high"; must have had a moment of madness! It is a fairly central list as it is referenced in nearly all "settlement" articles in the RoI; but it is a reference list rather than strictly encyclopedic.

The best name issue has cropped up before; on a county level the analogous list is sometimes called "Towns in X" and sometimes "Towns and villages in X". So we probably need a general rationalisation. The alternative name for the "parent" list here might be "Villages, towns and suburbs in the RoI" - because, certainly in the case of Dublin, suburbs (many originally separate towns or villages) are also included. (Sarah777 03:23, 26 September 2007 (UTC))

UK towns & villages linked

Why the need for links to burghs in Scotland and towns and villages in England and Wales at the end of this article? Surely this is not relevant? Coolavokig 08:18, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

That's a point - I don't really know how they got there or why. But I'd be reluctant to be the one to wield the axe! The "to-do" template is seriously out of date and is protected so I can't edit it - anyone out there got the keys? (Sarah777 08:47, 20 October 2007 (UTC))

I raised this issue almost exactly a year ago and apart from the one above from Sarah777 (who agreed with me), nobody has argued the point. Therefore I have now removed these categoreis as not being relevant to the "List of towns and villages in the Republic of Ireland" - I have left the link to Listo of towns and villages in Northern Ireland as it is, I believe, relevant. Coolavokig (talk) 08:55, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Eastwall

The current title for this page is List of Towns in Ireland. Eastwall does not fall into this category. As I have not been involved in the creation of this excellent resource I'm unwilling to remove content added by others. damienm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.125.18.3 (talk) 11:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Placenames in the Gaeltacht

Should placenames in the Gaeltacht not be in their official Irish language form? As per placenames in India? Calcutta, the common name form, is now located at Kolkata. Therefore shouldn't Belmullet be renamed Béal an Mhuirthead? --MacTire02 (talk) 10:06, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Of course. But this is a simple matter of forcing political POV through majoritarianism (as distinct from the silly Wiki claim that it operates by "consensus"). They can't outvote the Indian editors on EN:Wiki; they can out vote the Irish editors. Sarah777 (talk) 00:29, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Are you asking what the title of a place's own article should be, or what the name used on this list should be? If the former, you can read and contribute at WP:IMOS and MOS:NAME. If the latter, then both names can and should be included here. jnestorius^(talk) 04:49, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

I debated this on the Spiddal article and was in a minority of one (me) plus the proposer to use the Irish version. Sometimes it's best to cut your losses:) Pleeese don't change the name of the List again - I've just about completed updating the title on hundreds of village/town articles. Sarah777 (talk) 09:57, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Purpose of article

I have removed the following:

Note: Please do not add redlinks to this list - it is intended as a list of settlements which have Wiki articles.

as per WP:SELFREF. It is always permitted, and indeed encouraged, for editors to add a redlink in any article if they believe in good faith that the named topic ought to be mentioned in that article and ought to have its own article.

If this list is intended as an aid to editors, then it should be moved out of the article namespace and into Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland, possibly crosslinked to Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities.

As it stands I'm sceptical of the value of this article for readers as opposed to editors. Similar information is presented in a more structured manner in Category:Towns and villages in the Republic of Ireland (by county), List of cities, boroughs and towns in the Republic of Ireland (limited to municipalities) and List of towns in the Republic of Ireland by population. This article is just a big list to make one's eyes glaze over. jnestorius^(talk) 10:55, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

I have restored it and ask that you don't engage in pointless agressive editing by removing it again. Thanks. Sarah777 (talk) 19:38, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

My edit was not aggressive; see WP:BRD. Nor was it pointless; I have given my explanation. Would you care to respond, or do you think my points are so obviously wrong as not to be worthy of rebuttal? I will mention another issue: "redlinks" links to Fhhkkj, which seems to be an WP:EASTEREGG; why does it not link to Wikipedia:Red link? BTW, you probably didn't intend to paste part of my commentary when you restored the text. Your edit summary —"deleted without discussion"— was a little misleading. Shall we have a discussion now? jnestorius^(talk) 17:53, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Populated places?!

I see some genius has changed "towns and villages" to "populated places"! Is there any end to the daftness on Wiki? Now Antarctica and most North Sea Oil Rigs are in the same class as Ballybunion or Limerick. Every townland, street, house or camp-site now becomes the same as a town or village. The wacky world of Wiki? Sarah777 (talk) 02:11, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

I reckon we must now add St James's Hospital to this list as that is definitely an (over) populated place? Sarah777 (talk) 02:21, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

@Sarah777: I see you don't like the term "populated places" :) But en.wikipedia is full of this: articles, categories (a looot), templates, etc, etc. Maybe you like more the term "settlement" instead? You can try to change the "global consensus" on this wiki related to "populated places". Good luck! :) --XXN, 13:26, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

• I am not sure if I take a view on this matter but procedurally there should have been a discussion before moving this. Is anyone aware of one? --John (talk) 22:02, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Nope, and I've moved it back. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 22:03, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Title and content

Current title does not reflect the content of the page at 100%: it comprises 1300+ names of settlements in the Republic of Ireland, including Dublin, Cork, Galway, Waterford, and Limerick, which are cities not simple towns.
Cities and towns are urban types of settlements, but villages - rural.
Why to mix them all in this page under this title?
Also, this page is part of the series {{World populated places}}, where most article titles start with ″List of populated places in″. Consequently I suggest to move page back to the title "List of populated places in the Republic of Ireland". --XXN, 13:26, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

I take it you've not been to many Irish towns :-) Many of them are quite "rural". A main street and not much else. "Populated places" seems to lack... definition, precision. A prison or hospital or boarding school would count. There is no consistency across other such articles - some list cities, some don't, some only list places with more than 1,000 population, others don't restrict inclusion. This article title works well for Ireland, I would oppose a move. Ping @Sarah777:. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 13:45, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

I find myself in agreement with Bastun! In common English usage there is an obvious difference between a town, village or city and a "populated place". In Ireland, at least, a village is clearly distinct from the surrounding rural area by several criteria, not least local authority recognition. Sarah777 (talk) 19:51, 31 July 2016 (UTC)