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Adelaide - Georgetown/Penang
editFromCzech, re Adelaide twinning with George Town - that is what it says in the citation, and in the article George Town, Penang. If you want to change it to link to the Penang LGA article and whole island, then you need to provide a specific citation that indicates this, and add it to the article linked to while you're at it and remove it from the George Town article. There are many articles which refer to the town ([1], [2], [3], [4]) though, and this seems more correct to me. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 09:51, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- Penang Island and George Town are two identical things from a spatial point of view. The first indicates a Malaysian local government (LG), while the second is a city (urban unit). It is similar in Australia (City of Adelaide vs. Adelaide). Unfortunately, in the case of PI/GT, the names differ, causing confusion. The twinning is most likely promoted as Adelaide/George Town for historical reasons, because in 1973 when the twinning was signed, Penang Island was still divided into two LGs and at that time there was George Town City Council, but despite this, it is now a legal relationship between the City of Adelaide and the Penang Island City Council. There is no legal entity named George Town anymore. Even your source #3 says that George Town was represented by the Penang Island City Council mayor. The terms appear alternately and interchangeably in the media ([5], [6], [7], [8]). We also have to mention that Xiamen and Bangkok list Penang Island in their official sister cities lists. In view of these circumstances and in view of the unified approach within the twin town lists, the name of the LG should be retained. FromCzech (talk) 10:56, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you. My issue is that the use needs to be consistent, and if necessary footnotes inserted at every mention of the twinning, in City of Adelaide and this article, and wherever the twinned town is mentioned. At the moment, it's mentioned in the George Town article but not the Penang Island City Council article (which this one links to). In my view, George Town is more commonly understood as a city than "Penang Island", which has several urban areas. The cities were twinned because of connections between the two (geographically-defined) cities, not the whole island of Penang. Malaysians may understand the difference, but to the rest of the world, George Town is the city. It may seem pedantic, but Wikipedia needs to have internal consistency, and be understood by the majority of a global audience. At the very least this needs to be explained in a footnote, imo. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 05:47, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
- City councils may have been twinned because of their geography, but it is necessary to accept that their delineation in this case has changed over time and the twinning now applies on the whole island, not the urban area. The blue link to the Penang Island City Council, where everything essential is explained in the very first sentence, seems to me sufficient and imo a footnote is not needed here. Internal consistency between twin town lists is ensured; feel free to improve the articles of City of Adelaide, George Town and Penang Island CC, it will be greatly appreciated. Btw I don't see much difference in the understanding of the terms George Town and Penang Island (and I am from Europe). FromCzech (talk) 08:32, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you. My issue is that the use needs to be consistent, and if necessary footnotes inserted at every mention of the twinning, in City of Adelaide and this article, and wherever the twinned town is mentioned. At the moment, it's mentioned in the George Town article but not the Penang Island City Council article (which this one links to). In my view, George Town is more commonly understood as a city than "Penang Island", which has several urban areas. The cities were twinned because of connections between the two (geographically-defined) cities, not the whole island of Penang. Malaysians may understand the difference, but to the rest of the world, George Town is the city. It may seem pedantic, but Wikipedia needs to have internal consistency, and be understood by the majority of a global audience. At the very least this needs to be explained in a footnote, imo. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 05:47, 24 November 2023 (UTC)