Talk:List of visible minority Canadian cabinet ministers

Criticism?

Isn't the concept of appointing cabinets members on the basis of their race controversial? I would have thought that this is an inherently racist practice. Has there been any debate in Canada on the appropriateness of this practice?Royalcourtier (talk) 19:54, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

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Wikipedia is an international publication, NOT Canadian, and in this world we're all visible minorities.

Historically the world was majority Caucasian, but that was back in the 1950s through 1970 when Caucasian included ethnic Europeans, west Asians, and its biggest sub-group, South Asians.

When Caucasian was redefined to exclude south Asians, it went from including 52% of the world to 19%. So it has been 70 years since caucasian was a majority group, and that was using a different definition than we have today, a definition different from what people in Canada and the USA mean when they speak about "whites" today.

In other words it is a factual error to call non-whites a minority. In this world, within the world-wide jurisdiction of Wikipedia, we are all visible minorities.

Terminology used should be correct terminology in OUR world, not very obsolete just populist US or Canadian ethnocentric parochialisms.

In 2019, roughly:

• 29% South Asian (including India and Pakistan)
• 30% East Asian(including Han Chinese, east Asians, and aboriginal Americans)
• 19% Caucasian (including American "whites", ethnic Europeans (including Spanish, Italian, Greek, Swedish, etc.), most hispanics, west Asians, Berbers, Egyptians)
• 18% Black (including sub-Saharan Africans and non-Caucasian North Africans.
• 4% Other (including melanesian, polynesian, and Australian Aboriginal)

So you've got to come up with a better short-hand term than the populist US shorthand "visible minorities".

It is race and racism you're talking about. At least be accurate. And at least recognize that the way things are in Canada in 2019 are neither the way things currently are in this world nor the way they have generally been here for the past 17,000 years.

Maybe "non-white"? It is a bit offensive to my ear, since of none of us are actually white. But it is probably what you mean. Or maybe you'd prefer caucasian.

Whichever you pick, please just be accurate, and please do not be ethnocentric.

Remember, the world is a lot bigger than the USA and Canada. And history did not begin in 1492. 2604:3D09:A87F:FD10:D8A:53BD:52B6:4266 (talk) 00:45, 9 June 2019 (UTC)