Talk:Lists of Italian Americans

Proposal for list inclusion

I have made the following proposal regarding the criteria for inclusion for these lists. If this is something that you have comments or ideas about, please provide feedback. Thanks. Wikibofh 9 July 2005 19:15 (UTC)

Todd Bertuzzi?

Just wondering if Todd Bertuzzi should not be in this list, since he's Italian-Canadian, not Italian-American. discospinster 20:37, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Jack Scott is also Italian-Canadian. And Robert Evans is of Austrian Jewish and Polish Jewish ancestry, not Italian ancestry. Prairie Dog

I have removed Phil Esposito and Todd Bertuzzi since they are not American. They are, in fact, Italian-Canadian.

I also removed Roberto Luongo for the same reason. Like Bertuzzi and Esposito, Luongo is also Canadian and not American. --drumwolf

Bobby Bonilla

Isn't Bobby Bonilla in the Baseball section under Sports of Puerto Rican descent from the Bronx? Barney Hill 22:18, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Politicians by State

I notice that there is a separate (linked) List of Italian-American politicians by state. I think a page like that is a great idea, and I wonder why it has not been used for other major U.S. ethnic groups. Obviously I think parallel pages ought to be created. Any insight into why that hasn't happened? Any past controversy about this? Kestenbaum 02:42, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Many people have done multiple things in their careers. Michael 02:07, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Ethnicity lists discussion

Please see discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) for current discussion of a potential policy to apply to all ethnicity lists on Wikipedia, including this one. JackO'Lantern 20:30, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Sources

The page needs to be sourced in accordance with Wikipedia's No Original Research and Verifiability policies. Basically, anyone described by a reliable source as "Italian" or "Italian-American" (i.e. as opposed to "of Italian descent", "Italian mother", etc.) is on the list. Here are the people I couldn't find anything for. If you have a reliable source that fits that please restore the names:

• Raven Riley
• Michael Viscardi, a senior from San Diego, won a $100,000 college scholarship, the top individual prize in the 2005–2006 Siemens Westinghouse Competition in Math, Science and Technology.

Mad Jack O'Lantern 19:17, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Zappa heritage

Under Frank Zappa's piece it says, "was of half Italian, 1/4 Sicilian and 1/4 French descent." I was unaware that Sicily had become a sovereign state. This should either be "3/4 Italian and 1/4 French" or "Italian and French ancestory." Otherwise we need to find labels for each person that says "1/8 marchese, 1/16 tuscan..." 24.20.226.193 01:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Pablo Mastroeni?

Mastroeni is an Argentinian-born US football player, he has no ties whatsoever with Italy, AFAIK, and should therefore not appear in this list. Klod

Yes he is!!!

Yes, Pablo Mastroeni is an Argentinian of Italian origin. Bill Dec 26 2006

A red-linked name is by definition non-notable, correct?

Is there any reason to have entries in this list for persons who do not have a Wikipedia article? I am inclined to clean these out. Comments? --CliffC 22:50, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

One of the benefits of having lists is that they can have red links, just like any other article. Red links indicate a potential for an article exists and the names then appear on potential article lists generated at WP. If each red link were made into a non-linked word, then it would no longer be listed as a potential article. There is nothing in WP that says every word or person that is contained in an article or a list article must be 'notable', but often it is an list improvement to have every name cited in a reference for why the person belongs in the list. It is disruptive to go around removing all non-referenced, non-red linked names from lists, but sometimes people get so worked up over the non cited red links that they get moved to the article's talk page for further evaluation and work later. Hmains 02:54, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

My concern about lists

I keep finding this problem with lists, and i will mention here as well. I dont think a list should have as a requirement for inclusion that the subject have a WP article already. thats what categories are for. as stated above, redlinks (and even simply nonlinked names) show a healthy list. a nonlinked name could have a link after the name to an article where they are mentioned: "Don Giordano, professor of history at Harvard" where the Harvard article lists him (and of course a notation or reference showing he is of Italian descent). I think lists that are overly patrolled for redlinks do the subject a disservice. a reader of wikipedia will be more likely to become curious about writing an article if they see a redlinked name of their subject on a list, rather than buried in the dungeon of requested articles. And i really, really, strongly object to having the criteria for lists, as written in the intro to the article, include a mention of the process for inclusion as it relates to WP itself. there is a huge difference between saying "these are notable" vs "names on this list must have articles, and be vetted by the group editing the list, and only included if there is consensus" or "please submit the following information on prospective names: 2 3rd party references, blah blah". (I know, im arguing from an extreme, but i have seen some pretty severe language at the top of lists) To me this is like breaking through the fourth wall in theatre. readers dont need to know this. Appropriate list guidelines can be conveyed through different language in the intro, or in guidelines on the talk page. ok, nuff said, my soapbox is falling apart. Mercurywoodrose (talk) 16:21, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

About Lady Gaga

Lady Gaga's parents are Italian American indeed.
So, Is she Italian American ?
But this list or the main article does not mention her ? --111.251.207.56 (talk) 08:36, 10 March 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 111.251.202.137 (talk)

Fictional Character list removed.

This is an encyclopedia not a list of a particular actors portraying an ethnic group with significant fiction. A fictional list should be apart and separate from a list of actual Americans of Italian ancestry. It is offensive to the group to include fictional non-Italian actors and their roles alongside those of Italian ancestry who are actually of Italian origin.

There are major defamation issues regarding Italian fictional characters that have been publicly addressed by all major Italian-American associations. The perpetuation of stereotypes is not appropriate for a page dedicated to an ethnic group. The list of so-called fictional Italian-American characters, nearly all who are not even portrayed by those of Italian descent have no place on this page. I have removed the list. A list of fictional Italian characters is best placed elsewhere.

A litmus test is in order, if a list of fictional characters is not done to other groups, as I do not see it on the Israeli page or the African-American page, then do not do it here. Solidzz (talk) 12:46, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

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