Talk:Lists of people of the Three Kingdoms

The Three Kingdoms of the Han Dynasty

For the kingdoms of Wei and Shu, Liu Bei and Cao Cao have created two kingdoms with the aid of talented people such as Zhuge Liang and Guo Jia. Guo Jia was the strategist and advisor of Cao Cao during his battles with Yuan Shao and Lu Bu.

At the time of Cao Cao's rise to power, Liu Bei was wandering the lands with no kingdom nor province to call his own. Cao Cao soon becomes the Prime Minster after he manages to secures many positions within the Imperial Courts. Although many people see Cao Cao like a tyrant such as Dong Zhuo, he was only doing what he can to ensure that justice (If you wish to say that) will be done. He just went about it differently and that is what makes him not even close to being a tyrant.

Liu Bei, on the other hand, had no land (as we know) and spent his days traveling throughout the land. Liu Bei, at the time, served two of Cao Cao's most powerful adversaries (Lu Bu and Yuan Shao). Although Liu Bei manage to leave much of a bad reputation by fleeing from each of these warlords, he did what he felt was needed to stay alive; however, even though he served under Cao Cao, it was clear to Liu Bei that the Hero of Chaos would one day discover his ambition to restore to the Han to its former power. One of the largest advantages that I believe Liu Bei could've had was if his brother Zhang Fei did not steal the horse from Lu Bu. If Lu Bu had joined Liu Bei, things could've been differently but Lu Bu was far too narrow minded.

The Wu Kingdom of the Han

Although the Sun family did not get involved in the battles that went on between Liu Bei and Cao Cao, they are still just as strong as the other kingdoms.

With the death of Sun Jian, Sun Ce went on to continue his father's work. After reuniting with his childhood friend Zhou Yu, the territories of Wu not only became a heated battled, but many talented officers and people joined Sun Ce's army to help him during his conquest (Such as Taishi Ci, Zhang Zhao, Zhang Hong, Jiang Qin, Zhou Tai, etc). The only sad thing was he later died after receiving wounds from hunting and killing Yi Ji. The most interesting insight about the Kingdom of Wu is how they came into power of their own. Most of the time they tried not to get into any battles. The other odd fact is that Wu did not have any top five generals in their army. More importantly, the best insight out of Wu is how they maintain peaceful watch and only went to war when they felt now was the time.

Even though the novel itself focuses on Liu Bei and Cao Cao's rise to power, you still got to give Wu and the generals credit for only wanting to see their land flourish and be safe for future generations. More or less, The kingdom of Wu from my point of view was only trying to keep out of the wars. As for the top five generals, I believe they would be Zhou Yu, Lu Xun, Zhou Tai, Gan Ning, and Huang Gai. --Zhang Liao 02:40, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

You know what, looking at the different types of generals, advisors, civilians, strategists, and political advisor on these different clans is very grand. TO those who managed to fix this page and make it look like this, nice job. You guys narrowed it down to the very last individuals, big or small/ popular or not, of all the forces of the Han Era and Three Kingdom Era. Well Done.--Zhang Liao 05:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Two lists combined into one

According to a Chinese-speaking colleague of mine, this list combines characters from Records of the Three Kingdoms (factual) and Romance of the Three Kingdoms (fiction). In the Chinese Wikipedia, these lists are separate, being zh:三國志人物列表 and zh:三国演义人物列表, respectively. Uncle G 12:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

accurecy

how do i know that this article is reliable? i saw meng huo under shu, so how do i know if there arent other mistakes? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.166.104.26 (talk) 05:32, 27 January 2007 (UTC).

Strictly speaking, Meng Huo is under Shu since he eventually submitted. _dk 11:23, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Classification

I have classified the characters under whom and which kindom they had previously and eventually served. For example, Zhang He served Yuan Shao before, but he later served Wei. Hence, I decided to classify him under both 'Yuan Shao and his subjects' and 'State of Wei'. However, I am still unsure which of these characters are real or fictional and maybe need some help on this. Perhaps a section listing fictional characters of the Three Kingdoms can be created. As for the brief descriptions of the characters beside their names, I have decided to remove them as they do not really serve any purpose. I hope that the former editor who added these descriptions can understand why I removed them. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lonelydarksky (talk • contribs) 13:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC).

Traditional vs. Simplified Characters?

Shouldn't the characters listed by each name in the article be in Traditional Chinese rather than Simplified? Traditional is used in the individual articles for each character and Simplified didn't come into existence until the People's Republic of China created it in the last century. SoroSuub1 03:00, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Both versions should be given for all entries. —Lowellian (reply) 07:09, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Revised version as of February 26, 2011

I've replaced the previous version with this new one that I've been working on in my sandbox page for the past few weeks. Any comments or suggestions for improvements? Lonelydarksky (暗無天日) _{contact me (聯絡)} 15:42, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

In the course of trying to find links that can be made to orphaned articles, I have come across one to Gao Xiang (Three Kingdoms). Would you be able to incorporate this on your page? And/or Would you be able to do anything with the stub itself :-) ??? TheAMmollusc (talk) 11:07, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Gao Xiang (Three Kingdoms) is already linked to both List of people of the Three Kingdoms and my sandbox page. I'll work on the stub some time later. Lonelydarksky (暗無天日) _{contact me (聯絡)} 13:16, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Split article?

Split - I placed the split and toolong tags above Section A because the article kept crashing my browser. I propose splitting the article by letter. Thoughts? --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:07, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Would it be too tedious to do so? LDS _{contact me} 14:44, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Reply - I doubt it would be, just a matter of doing it. Now I am waiting for overwhelming consensus to split. BTW, would you mind commenting on splitting Acid Mothers Temple? --Jax 0677 (talk) 08:38, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

I think keep this article intact with the following modifications;

1. Remove all Chinese characters because; A. Some of these are not currently supported so are rendered incorrectly anyway. B. They characters are not sortable, so add nothing to this listing. C. This mod will also remove many "Span" commands. 2. Remove all "Unknown" date entries, this adds no vale and takes up space. 3. Combine "Previous Allegiances" and "Allegiance" neither column is used very much, amend column to "Allied to". 4. Remove all "Present day" locations, seems somewhat irrelevant. 5. Place "Courtesy Name" in brackets behind "Name" removes one column. 6. Remove all dead links. 7. Remove "Notes" column entirely. Overall this will save in excess of 16.5% of total bytes, increasing load time by ~ 22% without actually losing any usable information. Lastly, I can copy this table and auto adjust as above or as agreed, if one or more of my adjustments are rejected. Any thought team? Kind regards The Original Filfi (talk) 02:28, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Vehemently oppose removing Chinese characters. Okay with the rest. But prefer splitting instead since there is a world of difference between the end of Han folks (Yuan Shao, Dong Zhuo, etc.) with the actual Three Kingdoms people (ie. Sima Zhao, Yang Gu, etc.) _dk (talk) 08:08, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for reply thinking the same myself on reflection, how about, set columns as;

1. English style name (Familiar name) 2. Pinyin (Simplified) 3. etc as above.

We can still split more accurately into Dynasty and re write if appropriate, (beyond my scope here) the listing and subject header and lead article(s).

Can we import the support for the language issues or is that my pc?

Thanks again dk
The Original Filfi (talk) 11:26, 11 March 2014 (UTC) The Original Filfi (talk) 11:26, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Where is the list?

I'm sorry, I'm new here and I can't figure out how to see it.  :'( Tabbycatlove (talk) 21:27, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Click on the alphabets. _dk (talk) 05:00, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

The alphabet list only shows on the desktop version, not the mobile. Not sure how to fix Pgagge (talk) 15:29, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

@Pgagge Is there a way to report such an issue? Reginus Paulius Gryphus (talk) 18:21, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Added New List

I've added the entire list as I saw that the list has been deleted. I've no idea if it's complete, as I am not too familiar to the Three Kingdoms, so if you feel like something is missing, feel free to add. ^^

ArithmethicallyAWeirdo (talk) 02:53, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

Where is the list?

Did the list get removed by accident at some point? 66.232.63.23 (talk) 13:34, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Re-added Lists

This article seems to have seen a rough history. For some unfathomable reason, the lists (used to be *a* list) just get deleted and no one fixes them. Repeatedly.

In the case this happens again (which is probable), please see the category page or simply check the revision history for the missing content. Kyliotic (talk) 20:55, 18 February 2023 (UTC)