Talk:Lithuanian Academy of Music and Theatre

Vilnius (Wilno) Conservatory

Those currently redirect here. The article states "In 1949 the Kaunas Conservatory and the Vilnius Conservatory, founded in 1945, were merged" which suggests that Vilnius Conservatory was founded in 1945. But [1] states that "Wileńska Szkoła Muzyczna przekształciła się w 1923 r. w Konserwatorium Muzyczne", and the 1923 founding date is confirmed by [2]. Here's another entry on this [3]. Perhaps Wilno Conservatory (1923-1935?) is a different entity from Vilnius Conservatory (1945-1945?). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:31, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

See now pl:Konserwatorium Muzyczne w Wilnie. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:44, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@Cukrakalnis - is there something on lt wiki that would be relevant? I am guessing that there was a Lithuanian organization with similar name, seprate from the Polish one? I found an online reference to "Konserwatorium Wileńskie im. Juozasa Tallata-Kelpšy" but the page at http://www.vilniaus.konservatorija.lt/English.html is dead... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:46, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

@Piotrus Interesting topic. Judging on how Lithuanian sources have separated all of these institutions into separate articles, I think it's fair to separate it on Wikipedia as well, but I am myself unsure if they are actually totally disconnected.

There was a Vilnius Music School in the Russian Empire (1873–84; 1898–1918 [evacuated to Moscow in 1915 and disbanded there in 1918]) [4].

The vle.lt has a separate article for Karłowicz's Conservatory [5], which is the one that you mentioned, as it existed in Vilnius 1923–1940. The Vilnius Conservatory page on vle.lt [6] mentions an institution that existed 1945–1949, but that had its beginnings in 1940:

The core of the conservatory consisted of students and teachers of the higher courses of the Vilnius Music School, founded on 1940/09/30, who had been working under the program of the Kaunas Conservatory since 09/1942.

The end in 1949 was due to the fusion of the Kaunas and Vilnius Conservatories, as you already mentioned.

As of now, on lt.wiki the most relevant thing is the Vilniaus Juozo Tallat-Kelpšos konservatorija. It used to be in the Didžioji g. 36, while pl.wiki mentions ul. Wielka 8 for Konserwatorium Muzyczne w Wilnie. I think that would mean that both conservatories were on the same street, even if in different time periods. Considering that we lack details on how the Polish one ended in 1940 (not 1939!) and the Lithuanian one started that same year in 1940, I consider it a strong likelihood that there was some continuity between the institutions through reorganisation. Btw, there was also a Jewish Musical Institute ([7]).

Still, the beginnings of the LMTA (the article on whose talk page we are) was in 1933 in Kaunas, according to vle.lt [8], so I think this article should not be linked to considering what you're asking. Cukrakalnis (talk) 16:06, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

Wonder if there is some overlap between those, with different names for the same topic. Particularly due to Jewish history relation. Much of the pl article which I wrote is based on short entries on the pages of the Muzeum Historii Żydów Polskich POLIN (https://sztetl.org.pl/pl/slownik/), and the two related articles cite Błaszczyk L.T. , „Żydzi w kulturze muzycznej działający na ziemiach polskich w XIX i XX wieku”, książka wydana dzięki wsparciu udzielonemu przez Ministra Kultury i Dziedzictwa Narodowego oraz Stowarzyszenie Żydowski Instytut Historyczny w Polsce. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:04, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

I think it would be a good idea to have a general article "Music schools in Vilnius", which would include all the Lithuanian, Polish, Jewish and Imperial Russian music schools/conservatories in Vilnius. If there's more material on them and it becomes a 40kB page, then maybe it would be reasonable to split them, but right now, upon creation they would not be long articles.

There's definitely links connecting them all and for the vast majority of readers probably won't know the difference between them before reading the articles, because most articles will be titled in a similar manner [Vilnius Juozas Tallat-Kelpša Conservatory vs Vilnius Music School (1873–84; 1898–1918) vs Vilnius Conservatory (1923–1940) vs Vilnius Conservatory (1945–1949)]. Cukrakalnis (talk) 18:34, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Right. Maybe History of music in Vilnius? I see History of music in Paris but not much else for other cities. Or perhaps we should just start with the article music in Vilnius, a main article for Category:Music in Vilnius. So many topics to write about... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:16, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

I think History of music in Vilnius is the better choice and it can by itself be the main article of that category. It's very true that there are so many topics to write about. Cukrakalnis (talk) 19:26, 23 October 2023 (UTC)