Talk:Livermore, California

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Wondering how to edit this U.S. City Entry?
The WikiProject U.S. Cities standards might help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rambot (talk • contribs)

Wineries

I know they're all red, but I'm the process of making at least stubs for them all, so please don't start deleting just yet. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 18:20, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

Pretty much entire Wine section moved to Livermore Valley. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 22:46, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

Tara Kemp

Did Tara Kemp live and/or go to school in Livemore? I remember hearing her name alot when I lived there. --Mjrmtg 01:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Population

I dont know who keeps editing my correct population but stop! The pop is nit 80,000. If your going off the population signs on the freeways THEY ARE OLD AND OUTDATED. The CURRENT pop is 104,845! Stop editing it for whatever your purposes are! Livermores popualtion was that low in the 1990s.—Preceding unsigned comment added by John2011 (talk • contribs)

As I stated on your talk page, the population count in the article cites a verifiable source. If you wish to update the population count, you must change the citation to cite a reliable and verifiable source. A street sign on the freeway does not qualify, although you may be able to contact the transportation authority to see where they received the number. You may also wish to investigate the U.S. Census Bureau web site to see if they have updated population numbers for the city. At the moment the numbers come from the City of Livermore web site. --Mperry (talk) 05:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

A few more thoughts on the population. The U.S. Census Bureau has Livermore's population listed at 73,345 for 2000. Their projection of the population for 2007 is 79,532. (Source). The City of Livermore web site has the population listed as 81,443 (Source) and that number and source are what is cited in the article. It's likely that the City of Livermore has access to more up-to-date data that makes their number more accurate. That's why their number is used in the article. --Mperry (talk) 19:44, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Clean-up

This page is very, very poorly written. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.164.3.133 (talk) 18:54, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Then do something about it (rewrite it) instead of complaining. --Mjrmtg (talk) 01:39, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

I cleaned up this page a little bit. Kylee20051 (talk) 15:43, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Tri-Cities

I honestly can hardly tell where Livermore ends and Pleasanton begins; it's a little easier to tell the break between them and Dublin. Should something be mentioned about how these cities seem to be melding together as they grow outward? 71.142.139.114 (talk) 20:36, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I believe thats a relative common occurrence, at least in the bay area, as city centers and surrounding suburbs begin to merge, and the rural space between cities shrinks to nothing. If it was particularly true for livermore/pleasanton and no other bay area cities, id say yes, but its not.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 02:39, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

History

I was fascinated to learn today that the oil and gas I saw flowing in Altamont Creek in North Livermore is caused by natural seepage. A little Internet research turned up information about gas and oil drilling in and around Livermore. Here's some links to information in case anyone wants to add this to the history section.

• http://certmapper.cr.usgs.gov/data/noga95/prov8/text/prov8.pdf
• http://books.google.com/books?id=v3LOAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA570&lpg=PA570&dq=north+livermore+oil&source=bl&ots=kHEQ2gcK5i&sig=KW63pKc9bBFvTU5KKipmrOoFr6c&hl=en&ei=-3YRTcfAO4OqsAPr4emwAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CFsQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=north%20livermore%20oil&f=false
• http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:jR7Wauw6ljcJ:search.datapages.com/data/specpubs/basinar1/data/a128/a128/0001/0300/0339.htm+%22hospital+nose+gas+field%22&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

I have some photos of the seepage in the creek too. --Stacey Doljack Borsody (talk) 04:24, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Top Employers way wrong

Speaking as someone born and raised in Livermore, I can assure you the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory is by far the top employer in the city. It has over 10,000 people working at it, the majority of them Livermore residents. I have no idea why the source doesn't mention it, but the list of employers in general is way, way wrong to not even have them in the top 10. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sephalon1 (talk • contribs) 07:28, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

I believe the source only cites private sector employees, but there should most definitely be a notation showing the size of the workforce at LLL and how they are the major employer, citing some other source.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 18:32, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Cleanup

Here's an interesting point: the light bulb is claimed as the citys sole world record, but in the next paragraph, the LLL has claim to the worlds largest laser, the NIF. so is it one record or two? does the laser count, as its at lll and not on city land? This article needs (and i have started to give) major cleanup.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 19:06, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Light Bulb

Way back in the 1960s I and several other young hooligans used to grab rocks from the railroad bed and heave them as hard and accurately as possible, aiming for the red light bulb in its semi-protective cage next to the small door on the side of the main fire station. We kept our distance so we would have a head start if any fireman seeing us decided to apprehend the future juvenile delinquents. That light bulb was not nearly as famous back then... obviously not since it was in an outside receptacle with minimal protection. Our lack of success is also obvious. I wonder if we had succeeded if possible fame and fortune would have been ours; especially with the advent of the Web. Of course, if such an event occurred in today's "new and improved" USA we would be labeled as internal terrorists and labeled as a "hate group" by some. Sniff.Obbop (talk) 16:27, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Districts - Springtown

"Originally conceived as a retirement community in the early 1960s, Springtown has many of the city's hotels, as well as luxury homes and a public golf course."

Actually, out of 20+ hotels in Livermore, only 4 are in Springtown, and while there are some large and relatively new homes in Springtown, the luxury homes are in completely the other end of town. Springtown does contain the mentioned public golf course (9 holes only, not a full course). Onesweettart (talk) 03:16, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Senior Services

Livermore is sadly lacking in senior services. The recreation and parks department closed the Senior Center and put them into an alcove in the new Robert Livermore Center.

Removed from lede

"Its south side, home to local vineyards, has developed several executive subdivisions near Ruby Hill." the second half refers to either a local hill, not otherwise referenced, or to a gated luxury community/private golf course. I dont think the gated community deserves to be in the lede. (pretty ritzy places, though, the one percent must love it there)Mercurywoodrose (talk) 03:24, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Requested edit

Our request has to do with the text: Today, most of Livermore's over forty wineries are represented by the The Wine Group that has administrative offices just outside of Livermore, at the Concannon Vineyard on Tesla Road.

I believe you may have confused the Livermore Valley Winegrowers Association with The Wine Group. Also there are over 50 wineries in the Livermore Valley... we are requesting that the above sentence be edited to read: Today, most of Livermore Valley's fifty olus wineries are represented by the Livermore Valley Winegrowers Association.

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us. Thank you!

166.107.71.158 (talk) (Redacted)

As an alternative to adding this unsourced information, I have removed the info about The Wine Group. -- Diannaa (talk) 17:02, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

recent news

"Livermore golf coach Andrew Nisbet is sentenced to 27 years in prison on charges of molesting three of his juvenile students, and then plotting to kill them while being held in jail [1]"

I think this is significant enough to warrant a mention here. (this is taken from the Portal:San Francisco Bay Area, where i added it)Mercurywoodrose (talk) 03:22, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

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Climate

The mean temperature for the year somehow exceeds all the average temperatures for the months in Livermore. Can anybody confirm that the calculations for the weather were done correctly?

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Month	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Nov	Dec	Year
Record high °F (°C)	77 (25)	80 (27)	88 (31)	96 (36)	108 (42)	113 (45)	113 (45)	112 (44)	113 (45)	106 (41)	93 (34)	79 (26)	113 (45)
Mean maximum °F (°C)	66.9 (19.4)	71.4 (21.9)	77.9 (25.5)	85.8 (29.9)	94.3 (34.6)	102.0 (38.9)	104.3 (40.2)	102.8 (39.3)	101.2 (38.4)	92.6 (33.7)	79.0 (26.1)	67.8 (19.9)	106.3 (41.3)
Average high °F (°C)	56.8 (13.8)	61.2 (16.2)	65.2 (18.4)	70.5 (21.4)	76.4 (24.7)	83.1 (28.4)	89.0 (31.7)	88.2 (31.2)	86.0 (30.0)	77.7 (25.4)	66.3 (19.1)	57.5 (14.2)	73.2 (22.9)
Average low °F (°C)	36.7 (2.6)	39.4 (4.1)	41.3 (5.2)	43.6 (6.4)	47.6 (8.7)	51.7 (10.9)	54.2 (12.3)	54.0 (12.2)	52.5 (11.4)	47.7 (8.7)	41.1 (5.1)	37.0 (2.8)	45.6 (7.6)
Mean minimum °F (°C)	26.4 (−3.1)	29.5 (−1.4)	32.1 (0.1)	34.9 (1.6)	39.3 (4.1)	44.4 (6.9)	47.7 (8.7)	47.8 (8.8)	44.5 (6.9)	38.3 (3.5)	30.5 (−0.8)	26.7 (−2.9)	24.5 (−4.2)
Record low °F (°C)	18 (−8)	21 (−6)	22 (−6)	29 (−2)	32 (0)	38 (3)	36 (2)	36 (2)	35 (2)	29 (−2)	22 (−6)	18 (−8)	18 (−8)
Average <a href="/wiki/Precipitation" title="Precipitation">precipitation</a> inches (mm)	2.97 (75)	2.47 (63)	2.15 (55)	1.00 (25)	.44 (11)	.11 (2.8)	.02 (0.51)	.04 (1.0)	.22 (5.6)	.67 (17)	1.54 (39)	2.56 (65)	14.19 (359.91)
Average precipitation days (≥ .01 in)	10	9	9	6	3	1	0	0	1	3	7	9	58
Average rainy days (≥ 0.1 in)	6	6	5	3	1	0	0	0	0	2	4	6	34
Average snowy days	trace	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.1	0.1
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Livermore Heritage Guild

Livermore Heritage Guild may be helpful when expanding Livermore-related articles. It has historical content, government documents, and even newspapers that may be really helpful. Koridas 📣 20:02, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

History Subsections

I am considering rephrasing the history section to include a sub-header reference for the time period before the 1700s. There is quite a bit of variation among Bay Area cities, San Jose uses "pre-Colombian", Oakland uses "Ohlone" and San Francisco makes no distinction. If anyone in the Wiki local community, I would like to get some feedback about preferences. Patziteypaz (talk) 05:32, 15 February 2022 (UTC) Hello Wiki Livermore community, I just edited the History Section and added a Pre-contact header. In this section I identified the tribal groups who occupied the area of livermore at the time of contact. Recognizing the tribal lands is a common feature in city articles, however this section was recently edited out? What might be a way to talk about Livermore history that is inclusive of local tribes?Patziteypaz (talk) 02:32, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Nottingham?

Livermore is linked from the disambiguation page for Nottingham. There's only a single mention of this name in this article, linking to an out-of-print reference without explanation, and the only mention that comes up on a basic search besides the page itself is Nottingham Cellars, a locally winery establishment, founded in 2009. Curious if anyone has local knowledge supporting this appellation. JavonFair (talk) 02:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

See this revision in the history. There used to be some info about the post office (not the town) being named Nottingham. The Livermore Heritage Guild backs that it operated out of his home, but the citation for it being called Nottingham erroneously seems to come from either the citation in the lead, or the two newspapers linked. I don't think that the town itself was every actually called Nottingham in any case. Mrfoogles (talk) 20:50, 2 May 2024 (UTC)