Talk:Liyathnah

POV and primar

There is a clear reliance on primary sources from the 1800s for controversial information that is disputed by some secondary sources. [1] Makeandtoss (talk) 12:19, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@Rajoub570: By what right have you removed the tags without regard to WP guidelines? Makeandtoss (talk) 16:01, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

WP guidelines require that those who reject the neutrality of the article should provide sources that contradict the content. Why haven't you done so? Rajoub570 (talk) 16:04, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@Rajoub570: First of all WP guidelines do not require the presenting of sources that contradict the content; it requires the listing of reasons on the talk page, which I have done. Second, there is a clear reference at the end of my sentence, both here and in the other article. So there is no justification for this unwarranted removal. Makeandtoss (talk) 16:09, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

The sole reference you provided has no mention for either the Bedul nor the Liyathnah, so I don't see how it's related to the subject. Random claims on this and that scholar are not enough for tagging an entire article as pov. If you find another origin story contrasting the ones mentioned in the article I welcome you to add it. Rajoub570 (talk) 16:15, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@Rajoub570: Clearly, the abstract of the paper linked explicitly mentions Bedul and Liyathnah in the tenth line, and also very clearly elaborates in Arabic on the topic, a language you should be able to understand. Not only have you removed the POV tag but also the primary sources tag, without regard to WP guidelines. It is your personal opinion that this is not enough of a reason, not the consensus. WP works by consensus, i.e. engaging on the talk page, not removal of tags without discussion and without consideration of the guidelines. Waiting for your kind self-revert. Makeandtoss (talk) 16:19, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@Rajoub570: Still waiting for your answer. Makeandtoss (talk) 14:46, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I think you two can follow WP:SOURCESDIFFER. Wafflefrites (talk) 17:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Hard to follow any guideline when there is denial followed by a lack of discussion. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:14, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Denial of what, exactly? Please stop acting so aggressive. If you have anything to add to the article please do it. As can be seen in the article I found 4 studies and added these views, all agree, it's not just Ben Zvi. If you have any contradicting views go ahead and add them. No reason to tag-bomb the article or attack other editors. Thank you. Rajoub570 (talk) 16:12, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

@Rajoub570: "The sole reference you provided has no mention for either the Bedul nor the Liyathnah," this was factually a denial, as the source I provided explicitly says so. There is no aggression here. You removed a POV tag in contravention of WP guidelines, I asked you to self-revert until the POV and primary source issues can be fixed, and you have refused to do so. Makeandtoss (talk) 14:17, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

@Rajoub570: tagging one more time. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:30, 2 August 2024 (UTC)