Talk:Lloyd W. Williams

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This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 23:08, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Moved from article to here

This is CRAP! Crocker never wore a uniform. The DSC is an ARMY decoration. The Marines are awarded the Navy Cross equivalent, which was the case for Williams. It was NOT a joint command; it was all MARINES. Why do you persist in WRONG information? Further, you have only half the quote: "Retreat? Hell, we just got here! FIX BAYONETS AND DEPLOY!" [No wonder none of us college professors will trust you as a student source. Another example: McCarthy was partly right, whether you like it or not. There were communists and spies in the State Department. He used case numbers of those who had not had completed FBI background checks ~~ for whatever reasons ~~ to raise question. "McCarthyism" exits today as ideological compliance, called: "political correctness" far, far more than it ever existed in the early 1950s. If you are getting the feeling Wikipedia is the brunt of academic/intellectual jokes you are right. Even lefty John Stewart has you as "If the majority of people believe it is right, then it is true." Grow up or smarten up.

Dr. Dave Thiessen Clarkston, WA DrDaveThiessen@IdahoVandals.com professor emeritus of economice The Few. The Proud. Sempper Fi!

I moved your comments from the main page to here because this type of info belongs on the talk page for discussion vice in the notes. I'll respond to your points above and give you some background on why the article is the way it is and hopefully I can dispell any notions of "Left bias" (if that is even applicable) of "McCarthyism". Vice going right to accusing people of deliberately lying and passing bad info it might have been better to engage in a little discussion before hand.

If Crocker wore a uniform or not is completely irrelevant to the quality of research in his book. Just as your being a professor of Economics is completely irrelevant to your knowledge of Marine Corps history. I figiured someone in academics would recognize such distinctions and realize the need for verifiable information. While I agree that many authors and television shows make grievous errors when refering to military terminology and facts I did not see this as applicable in this case. Capt Lloyd Williams was a company commander in 2nd Battalion 5th Marines which at the time was part of the 4th Marine Brigade which fell under the 2nd Infantry Division. This was very much a joint command to correct your above statement. Twice during the war the Division was under the command of Marine generals....John A. Lejeune & Charles A. Doyen. As a side note, you can see the 2nd Infantry Division's Indian Head insignia in the respective insignias of the 5th and 6th Marine Regiments. Their were many Marines that received Army awards during their time in France. The most obvious would be John J. Kelly who recieved both the Army and Navy Medal Of Honor for the same action. Couple this with the fact that information of Capt Lloyd Williams is very difficult to come by, the Army has always applied posthhumous awards more liberally than the Marine Corps and there is (much to your dismay I guess) a reference stating he was awarded the DSC you will see why the article is currently the way it is.

There is no conspiracy to keep "bad facts" in any articles on wikipedia especially those regarding Marine Corps topics which I have been heavily involved in for the last 3 years. You can call me to task on many things but my knowledge of Marine history and wanting to create articles as factual as possible are not one of them. If you have a good reference stating that Capt Williams was the recipient of the Navy Cross vice the DSC during WWI then please by all means add it. As for the "grow up or smarten up" quip....You are the professor emeritus, you should be the one engaging in discussion vice throwing grenades from the start. Oh by the way...It's "Semper Fi" not "Sempper Fi."--Looper5920 (talk) 17:48, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

This inaccuracy has been fixed and is referenced appropriately. TeriEmbrey (talk) 16:13, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Uniform Question

The photo that is included on this page for Captain Williams is of an Officer in a US Army uniform. While the inclusion of a Marine Brigade in an Army Division is one of the earliest examples of a Joint Command, and that the Marines wore a slightly altered version of Army field dress during WWI, in no way did Marine Officers wear the Army Service Dress Uniform.

What gives" Was Williams a prior service Army Officer, or is this a photo of someone else? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.183.235.146 (talk) 20:25, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Battle of Château-Thierry – doubtful

Why does the infobox list the Battle of Château-Thierry (which took place in July 1918) when Williams died in June 1918? Chris the speller ^yack 23:09, 23 January 2018 (UTC)