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As I said in my edit summary for this edit "Winchester & Ruger info does not appear in references. All the Meridian Star refs now fail verification. All Internet Archive links now fail verification and it looks like the Wayback Machine URLs have been basically usurped...". I found an AP/Tuscaloosa News reference and provided it for verifiability purposes (which is a Wikipedia's policy) to prove which weapons were identified as being used in the shooting. Our readers have to be able to verify for themselves what is stated in Wikipedia articles. One of the problems is that at least one of the the Meridian Star/web archive links have an embedded redirect and the information is inaccessible. The 2 links I mentioned are dead and any information that readers attempt to verify through those links is inaccessible. Chris G subsequently found a working link and placed it in the article. After ChrisG added a verifiable link, I removed a single "dead link" maintenance template. The issue now is that content was returned to its previously unverified state with the edit summary of "Just because “the link is dead” doesn’t give you justification to remove the information that has been there for years.
And to that all I have to say is this...
Just because information has been there for years doesn't mean 1)that it is verifiable and 2)that it should stay. If information in an article cannot be verified then it should be removed. and then there is this...The AP/Tuscaloosa News quotes the Sheriff as stating "all the shooting victims had been hit by shotgun blasts and there was no evidence the rifle had been fired." So even though, yes, the murderer carried different weapons including a "12-gauge shotgun, a .223-caliber semiautomatic rifle and a bandolier of ammunition" he only fired the shotgun so that is the weapon used. Yes, other guns were found in the murderer's truck but they weren't used either. By the way the Ruger? It remained in the shooter's truck so it should not appear in the infobox at all. - Shearonink (talk) 03:38, 3 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Appreciate your response here, but a Reddit post is your source? Not credible. Also, using that information amounts to original research which is Wikipedia policy and it cannot be used. The Sheriff quoted statements are credible and verifiable. - Shearonink (talk) 14:34, 6 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Re:the most recent changes to the infobox...I can appreciate, though not shot, that the Ruger .223 was carried by the gunman and could be considered an instrument of fear, as it were. However, 2 out of the 3 cited sources for weapons describe weapon used as "12-gauge shotgun". Only. No manufacturer or particular model mentioned in sheriff's quotes(Ref 1) or in the NY Times article (Ref 2). Also, Ref 3 - though written by Ct Gen Assembly's Office of Legislative Research - their sources are not the best: 1)Newsmax itself is deprecated as source for WP articles, 2)OLR page has a WP article as source (and Wikipedia articles cannot be used as sources for other Wikipedia articles), 3)no specific source given for "1200 Winchester" claim, 4)1 source that the OLR used is an unknown wordpress site, and 5)none of the OLR sources mention this shooting.
Also. The infobox is supposed be an overview or a summary of what appears in the main article text. Nowhere does the 1200 model name appear, the weapon used is only ever described in the majority of sources as a "12-gauge shotgun". - Shearonink (talk) 03:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Re:The most recent edits spanning from this to this...
Stormm001 - Wikipedia cannot use your assessment of photographs as a source. ALL the published references state that the weapon used in the Lockheed Martin shootings was a pump-action 12 gauge shotgun. The specific model and the manufacturer are not identified in the majority of sources.
Secondly...though the antidepressants website has published content that looks like it is from The Daily Mississippian, I cannot verify its lineage. Unless this article is found in an archive - online or a physical archive in a library - and verified as being published by this student newspaper, I don't think it should be used. We know nothing about this website, about who owns it, if the material is vetted or if it has any editorial oversight.
Again, about the refs you add to articles... The access-date is the date the editor accesses the cite. Please tell me you didn't go back to 2003 to get that reference? The access-date for a cite is the date the editor found the information, so that would possibly have been yesterday or today. - Shearonink (talk) 16:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
