Talk:Locomotives of the Southern Railway (UK)

SECR R1 Class

This will need care, because the redlink SECR R1 Class is used for two unrelated classes, one being Kirtley's development of his own LCDR "R" class 0-6-0T, the other being Wainwright's rebuild of the Stirling "R" class 4-4-0. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:57, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Cubitt on the London, Chatham and Dover

In the section Locomotives of the Southern Railway#London, Chatham and Dover Railway, William Cubitt is named. This is in accordance with

• Allan, Ian (1982) [1942]. The ABC of Southern Locomotives. Ian Allan. p. 21. ISBN 0-7110-1262-8. EX/82.
• Casserley, H.C.; Johnston, Stuart W. (1974) [1965]. Locomotives at the Grouping 1: Southern Railway. Shepperton: Ian Allan. p. 60. ISBN 0-7110-0552-4.

However, I don't think that this can be right. A thorough check of

• Bradley, D.L. (March 1979) [1960]. The Locomotive History of the London, Chatham & Dover Railway (2nd ed.). London: RCTS. ISBN 0-901115-47-9. OCLC 59838998.

does not turn up any instances of William Cubitt; the name Cubitt does occur several times (for example, on pages 8, 19, 20, and 33) but I can find only one place where this is qualified with a first name: on page 12, Joseph Cubitt is named in connection with the planning of Longhedge Works. Other books also name Joseph Cubitt in connection with the LCDR, for instance

• Marshall, John (1978). A Biographical Dictionary of Railway Engineers. Newton Abbot: David & Charles. p. 61. ISBN 0-7153-7489-3. LCCN 77085011.

a book which lists William Cubitt, but without mentioning the LCDR; and most importantly, in

• Nock, O.S. (1971) [1961]. The South Eastern and Chatham Railway. Shepperton: Ian Allan. p. 74. ISBN 0-7110-0268-1.

there is the sentence "At first Joseph Cubitt acted as locomotive superintendent, and he in turn called in Crampton." He is again named on p. 75. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:10, 5 November 2016 (UTC)