Talk:London Burning: Portraits from a Creative City

Requested move 9 September 2018

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) KCVelaga (talk) 04:46, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

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London Burning: Portraits from a Creative City → London Burning – Per WP:SUBTITLE. 142.160.89.97 (talk) 03:12, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Hhkohh (talk) 03:13, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose Seems like a common name Hhkohh (talk) 03:13, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

@Hhkohh: How do you reconcile your position with our book-specific guideline, WP:SUBTITLE, which states:

Usually, a Wikipedia article on a book (or other medium, such as a movie, TV special or video game) does not include its subtitle in the Wikipedia page name, per WP:CONCISE. The only exception to that is short article titles, for disambiguation purposes.

142.160.89.97 (talk) 03:19, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

WP:SUBTITLE is not a policy, just a guideline, see also WP:COMMONNAME and other related policy Hhkohh (talk) 09:59, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support I see no issue with the requested move, and it abides by the given guideline. -- Alex^TW 03:35, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
• Support - just about sufficient difference between this and London's Burning, but there should be a hatnote.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:10, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose and redirect suggested title to Great Fire of London. Maybe seems like a stretch, but some reader's will be literal in their searches and the great fire has long-term historical significance. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:06, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose and redirect target to London's Burning (note: I have already done this, actually, since the target didn't exist). In the unusual case where the reader wants to see about a near-stub article on a topic of boderline notability, it will be listed on the disambig page there. SnowFire (talk) 15:18, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

@SnowFire: How do you reconcile that with WP:SMALLDETAILS? 142.160.89.97 (talk) 18:40, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Because the resulting redirect would be WP:ASTONISHing? Because this article should arguably be sent to Articles For Deletion anyway? Note, if your concern is that the subtitle is irrelevant, I have no complaints about a move to London Burning (book). Strictly on the basis of "where should London Burning go?", however, note that I said "unusual case". It seems unlikely many readers who type in "London Burning" are looking for this book, so a disambig page is a proper place to land. A "small details" argument might be okay if usage was split 50/50 between London Burning (the book) and London's Burning (the album, etc.), but not when the split is like 99/1 against. (I point you to the pageview statistics, which show an amazing maximum of ONE pageview a day for the past month, with several days at 0.) SnowFire (talk) 19:41, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose - per SnowFire and WP:NATURALDIS. I was a little bit surprised when I saw that redirect until I read your comment, as it wasn't there when I previously saw this request. Good find. --Gonnym (talk) 16:53, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose cited guideline does not apply as disambiguation and long title are clearly beneficial to readers here, and in cases without (book) WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT works for short titles. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:24, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

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