Talk:Loran Scholars Foundation

Deleted tabs in above comment because they make lengthy text almost unreadable. Adhe536ontario2008 (talk) 19:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

The recent addition of the TD scholarship assertion is debatable and cannot be proven. The only measure of one being more prestigious than the other (objectively) is the value (which can be cited). Therefore, as the Loran award is worth $75,000 and the TD is worth $60,000; I would say that the Loran award is the most prestigious entrance undergraduate award in Canada.

      If a measure of "prestige", by your own definition is strictly based on the value, then the 
      TD Canada Trust Scholarship for Outstanding Community Leadership is worth more by $1000 (see 
      below). The argument that the CMSF award is worth $95 000 is not valid because it is simply 
      not true and cannot be cited or supported by any reference. Second ~4000 applicants apply 
      for the TDCT Scholarship every year and only 20 receive scholarships (0.5% of applicants) 
      vs. ~4000 applicants for the CMSF Scholarship every year with 30 receiving scholarships 
      (0.75% of applicants) which makes the TDCT Scholarship more difficult to attain, which makes 
      it more prestigious as well. Lastly, the judges (at the national level) of the CMSF 
      Scholarship are previous scholars and sponsors and/or representatives of sponsors of the 
      scholarship whereas those of the TDCT Scholarship are more noteworthy and esteemed members 
      of Canadian society including Presidents and Chancellors of Canadian universities, Senators, 
      and prominent members of the charitable and humanitarian community, which again based on the 
      credibility of the judges makes the TDCT Scholarship more prestigious as well.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by MultiScholar (talk • contribs) 07:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC) 

Actually the TD Canada Trust Scholarship for Outstanding Community Leadership currently has a total value of "up to" $76,000 which includes a maximum of $70,000 from TD itself and a limit of an additional $6000 from other/additional sources which is more than the "up to" $75,000 (total value) for the Loran Award (which does not allow scholars to accrue funds from other sources as the TD does). Based on this rationale, the TD should be considered more prestigious (strictly from a monetary standpoint). —Preceding unsigned comment added by MultiScholar (talk • contribs) 19:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

The Loran award allows scholars to acquire funding from additional sources, $4000 from leadership or $5000 from the University, so it can be worth up to $95 000 if one were to apply for additional funding.Switchintoglide (talk) 20:24, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

"The Loran award allows scholars to acquire funding from additional sources, $4000 from leadership or $5000 from the University, so it can be worth up to $95 000 if one were to apply for additional funding." < First off, no it does not. If it does, then it is something new CMSF is doing, and you should provide a citation for it. Second, the math doesn't add up $75000 + $4000 (questionable) + $5000 (questionable) = $84000 which does not account for $11000 of the figure ($95 000) you mentioned. Lastly what is defined by "leadership" in the context "$4000 from leadership", it is over-ambiguous (leadership of what?) and not an actual verifiable source of funding. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MultiScholar (talk • contribs) 07:55, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

This page is inaccurately titled

Why is the title of this page "Canada Merit Scholarship Foundation" when the first sentence of the actual text correctly identifies the awards as the Canadian Merit Scholarship Foundation? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.254.50.142 (talk) 01:46, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Using of Superlatives When Describing Scholarships, Awards, Prizes, etc.

I have made the following changes: 1. "largest" to "large" and 2. "most prestigious" to "prestigious"

It should be duly noted that usage of superlatives (most[insert positive descriptor], best, largest, greatest, nicest etc.) have no place in an objective, neutral, informative encyclopaedia when describing material of a purely subjective nature. Usage of superlatives when describing titles, honours, distinctions, scholarships, awards, prizes etc. is commonplace and suitable amongst alumni in internal discourse which is understandable and quite reasonable given that each individual is proud of their accomplishment and wants everyone else to know that the particular scholarship/award/prize they won etc. is "the best" and will provide a host of reasons as to why this is so (rightfully so). Unfortunately, however, concepts like "prestige" are purely subjective and opinionated and cannot be measured by any falsifiable, neutral, objective, mathematical, statistical, or scientific standard and as such should be kept out of materials of academic and encyclopaedic nature. It is clear from the user's edits that he or she is a Loran/CMSF scholar her or himself and as such is in no position to be making judgement calls about relative prestige based on the fact that the individual is "emotionally compromised" and as any attempt to do so would exemplify the dictionary definition of bias on top of the fact that prestige itself cannot be measured or more importantly, ranked. Superlatives when describing obscure subjective concepts (like the descriptors of this scholarship) that dabble in the realms of opinion violate WP:NPOV and should never be used. When making edits, please be respectful of this and mentally pre-screen the words you choose before millions of people misinterpret your own personal opinion(s) to be factual and representative of reality. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AappaL-GO (talk • contribs) 19:03, 28 February 2011 (UTC)