Talk:Lord of Halydean

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Is this the oldest known feudal barony? If so, someone should comment on this.

    No, there are at least hundreds that are older. The question you should ask is, "Is this the oldest known Norman feudal barony in Scotland, with a living claimant." This is difficult to quantify, because many feudal baronies have become peerages. If we do not wish to discuss any peerages, then one could say that this is "the oldest Norman feudal barony with a living claimant in the Scottish Barony Register at this time." 208.90.11.76 (talk) 19:40, 27 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

Some mention of surnames derived from "Holydean" should be mentioned as well. I did see numerous related surnames on the headstones at the Kelso Abbey and do believe Holydean to be their etymological root.

---or... Holydean (the feudal barony) could have taken its name from those deans buried at the abbey. The barony and Lordship of Halydean is quite old, but do when was the first record of it actually being called "Halydean" (or "Holydean")? Perhaps not until after individuals were given the surnames? Was not the first Lord of Halydean a Douglas, and are not the Moffats practically a sept of Clan Douglas?

    Indeed! They might as well be one clan. The Moffats and Douglases share the same grey and black tartan with only a rather thin red line differencing the two. There are Halidenes, Haldenes, et al who might all share a common historical tie to the Kelso Abbey. Would be interesting to see if there are enough of them to form a sept. 208.90.11.76 (talk) 19:50, 27 February 2020 (UTC)Reply

Perhaps some discussion of the irregular spelling would be helpful. Halydean/Holydean, why is it spelt two different ways? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.119.40.101 (talk) 17:31, 18 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

Webster's dictionary did not exist until the early 1800's, and standardized spelling is a relatively new idea. Some spellings happened to be codified different ways, and they stuck. There is a Castle Holydean near Kelso, Scotland, but the official spelling of the Barony & Lordship was "Halydean" in the 1602 reorganization. Perhaps the spelling of this article should be changed?Insightfullysaid (talk) 22:30, 13 April 2016 (UTC)Reply

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