Talk:Los Angeles

Weak source for "exodus of entertainment talent"?

In the last paragraph of the lede, the statement "a post-COVID-19 pandemic exodus of entertainment production and talent" does not seem to me to be supported by the cited article, which lists only a handful of actors/musicians who have recently moved their primary residence to other states, many citing personal reasons rather than business or financial concerns. An "exodus of entertainment production and talent" sounds more like a significant upheaval, with hundreds of entertainment professionals and businesses pulling up stakes. Unless there are other news sources that credibly report such a major change in the Hollywood industry, I don't see any reason for this edit (from Feb. 21, 2024) to stand. 2600:100A:B1E3:F356:0:1E:34F8:3101 (talk) 09:46, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

I concur. The source is insufficient for the scope claimed by the sentence. It comes off as dishonest POV-pushing. I'm going to remove it outright. oknazevad (talk) 09:58, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-arid climate?

According to the Koppen climate classification, Los Angeles falls into a semi-arid climate, not hot mediterranean. It doesn't really matter what the map shows. The data is much more important to classify the climate. Using the Koppen aridity index, Los Angeles has climatic characteristics more associated with a semi-arid climate than a Mediterranean climate and it would be more appropriate to say that it has a semi-arid climate, with Mediterranean influences. Farell37 (talk) 21:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

@Farell37 You are correct. The aridity threshold would be 376mm for LA and precipitation is below that as of now. I assume this has to do with 1991-2020 climate normals, as they have raised the avg temperature leading to a higher aridity threshold. Uness232 (talk) 04:00, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Are you sure LA is currently semi arid? דולב חולב (talk) 09:53, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes it is! The thereshold is 376 mm in this case, which means if the precipitation is lower than that, It is classified as semi-arid climate. Farell37 (talk) 13:52, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

how can I calculate the threshold? דולב חולב (talk) 16:08, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

I wonder about Israeli cities. They are considered to be Mediterranean, but vegetation is usually minimal and ends up as several dry grasses with barely any shrubs. דולב חולב (talk) 16:11, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

To calculate the threshold precipitation, it depends a little on the type of climate classification you use. According to the Koppen climate classification, thereshold is calculated as follows:

Multiply the average annual temperature by 2. Then multiply by 10. This is the result of umbral precipitation. Then, it is important to take into account the % of precipitation that occurs in the hottest months of the year (april to september on northen hemisphere and october to march on southern hemisphere):

-If less than 30% of the average annual precipitation occurs in the hottest months of the year, then no value is added. Example of a mean annual temperature of 17.5 in which less than 30% of precipitation occurs between the hottest months of the year. 17.5*2 = 35. As I said, it is multiplied at the end by 10, so the threshold precipitation in this case is 350 mm.

-If between 30 and 70% of the average annual precipitation occurs between the hottest months of the year, then +14 is added to the result of multiplying the average annual temperature by 2. Example of a mean annual temperature of 17.5 in which at least 30% of precipitation but less than 70% occurs between the hottest months of the year: 17.5*2 = 35+14=49. Multiply by 10 and the hereshold is 490 mm.

-If more than 70% of precipitation occurs in the hottest months of the year, then +28 is added.

But why is important to take into account the % precipitation that occurs in the hottest months of the year? In the hottest months, evaporation of water from the soil and plants can be high, which can worsen the region's aridity. Therefore, even if some precipitation occurs in the warmer months, if this amount is not enough to compensate for evaporation and provide adequate water for vegetation and other organisms, the region can be classified as semi-arid. The more rain that occurs in the hottest months of the year, the greater the thereshold needed to overcome evaporation and sustain local vegetation and ecosystems.

In Mediterranean climates, it is common for vegetation to be scarcer during the summer, but the rain in the autumn and winter months is sufficient to sustain the vegetation. As there is so much rain in these seasons and the summer can be very dry, it classifies the region as Mediterranean and not semi-arid. Farell37 (talk) 16:34, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Furthermore, If the average annual precipitation is less than 50% of the thereshold, then the region is classified as a desert climate rather than semi-arid. Farell37 (talk) 16:37, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

Still seems weird to me.

the landscape here is so semi arid!

Vegetation is so scarce, with scorching hot temperatures. דולב חולב (talk) 19:17, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

The temperature is irrelevant here (except if is part of group E). The landscape is also not a important point. The important is the precipitation: if is less than the thereshold, than belongs to the semi-arid climate (or arid if is less than 50% of the thereshold). The landscape can be arid for other reasons, such as drought Farell37 (talk) 19:50, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2024

In the sports section, remove Los Angeles Clippers from the tag about Crypto.com Arena and add Intuit Dome in list of venues. The Clippers season has ended. 47.153.148.108 (talk) 09:23, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Charliehdb (talk) 11:14, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

47.153.148.108 (talk) 15:36, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Hold off until the next season begins and the Intuit Dome is actually open. Unexpected delays could occur, and there's no rush in listing it as open when it is not actually open yet. oknazevad (talk) 14:46, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2024

The most common ancestries in Los Angeles are German (3.8%), followed by Irish, English, Italian, Polish and French. Add this information to the demographics section.

Source: https://data.census.gov/profile/Los_Angeles_city,_California?g=160XX00US0644000 103.38.254.254 (talk) 10:12, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 05:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2024 (2)

Spanish is spoken by 39.4% in Los Angeles. Add this information to the demographics section.

Source: https://data.census.gov/profile/Los_Angeles_city,_California?g=160XX00US0644000 103.38.254.254 (talk) 10:14, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 05:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2024

The top non-English languages spoken at home in Los Angeles are Spanish, Korean, Armenian, Chinese and Persian. Add this to demographics section.

Source: https://research.newamericaneconomy.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/12/G4G_CityOfLA.pdf 2600:6C50:7E00:20C:55B:9069:94D4:62B7 (talk) 00:55, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: The source is pretty outdated. (from 2021) '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 07:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Hmm, really, you expect that to change in three years?? I mean, it could, if they're currently close, but that sort of thing is more on the order of a generation usually. --Trovatore (talk) 21:17, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

"Third Largest Node of American Film Production"

Neither of the two sources listed for this statement seem to say anything supporting it. Section should be reverted to a previous version or an additional source should be provided. Cosmomaduz (talk) 01:18, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

It's odd wording anyway. Who talks like that? What's a "node of film production"? And if LA really is the third-largest one, what are the first two? Not sure how to fix it though; we can't claim that LA is the biggest movie city if it isn't (though that surprises me a little). --Trovatore (talk) 01:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Seems to have been added by Castncoot, somewhere in this series of edits on 12 June. Castncoot, care to comment? --Trovatore (talk) 01:52, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

This report surprised me a little, saying that in 2018 California surpassed New York in Film Production. I Donald Albury 12:57, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

That was 2018, pre-pandemic. It’s an entirely different world now. Los Angeles is now struggling to get much done within its borders. Atlanta and NYC have zoomed ahead. But at least L.A. hasn’t dropped to fourth place yet. Castncoot (talk) 20:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

But thank you for for bringing up this point. Going forward in this new world, it’s going to be an ever-changing horse race. So I’ve rephrased it to say, “one of the largest”, which I’m sure it will be for the foreseeable future. Castncoot (talk) 21:06, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't think the problem is the rank, but the use of the word "node." I assume it's supposed to be mean "hub" or "center" here but that's a pretty uncommon definition of the word. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 22:50, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Changed it to “hubs.” Best, Castncoot (talk) 23:07, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

What are these wildly different population numbers?

First it says 4 million, then below that it says, urban: 12 million. What's going on? 2604:3D08:5B80:B70:7B4B:B05A:3702:FA12 (talk) 23:03, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

The city (incorporated municipality) has a population of 3.9 million. The metropolitan area, which is defined for statistical purposes by the U.S. Office of Management and Budget (see Metropolitan statistical area) and includes the city and 5 counties, has a population of about 13 million. Donald Albury 23:13, 7 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much. To be sure, the page lists "urban" as 13 million and "metro" as 17 million. OK, thank you. 2604:3D08:5B80:B70:7B4B:B05A:3702:FA12 (talk) 00:43, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Oh, and the combined statistical area has 20.6 million. See Greater Los Angeles. The 17 million may be an older figure that has not been updated. I'm busy with other things, but hopefully someone will figure out and fix up the article. Donald Albury 13:27, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

There are wildly disparate (and unofficial) population figures in many US city articles, including this one. They should not be used, in order that all US city, metropolitan, and combined areas follow the same US Census Bureau yardstick: the latest official estimates listed in List of US cities by population, List of United States urban areas, Metropolitan statistical areas, and Combined statistical areas. All are 2023 except for urban areas, which are 2020. I just now corrected the LA figures in both infobox and lede, plus I added the 2023 CSA population. This parallels the infobox's separate GDP numbers for LA's MSA and CSA as well. Mason.Jones (talk) 20:16, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for dealing with this. Editors inserting population figures from unofficial, unreliable sources is a constant problem. I just didn't feel up to dealing with it today. Donald Albury 23:26, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

No problem. Also corrected inconsistent populations for the City of Los Angeles. The tag "2023 estimate" should actually give 2023, not other years. Mason.Jones (talk) 15:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)