Talk:Lost Girl/Archive 1

Archive 1

Started with the info box

This is my first time trying to start an article on Wikipedia, so forgive the mistakes if I have made some here. I have added as much information as I have on the series to an infobox and added the series logo as found on the official site. I have more for this article, but need some guidance on it. I have one other comment I have to make as well.

I have a site that someone has linked to on this page where I have started a similar wiki page. I think that link is not allowed on Wikipedia and think it needs to be removed. If someone can confirm that, please remove it.

EDIT: Scratch that. I removed the link during my editing of the page.

Thanks in advance TeraSuccubi (talk) 00:11, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Request removal of ref and notability and expansion tags

I have added to the article with sources to the production and television channel in Canada that is carrying this series as well as infobox and other information as per other television series articles. Does this now merit the removal of the tags? TeraSuccubi (talk) 01:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Kenzi or Kenzie?

There seems to be a lot of confusion on what her name is. According to the official website her name is Kenzi, no "e". As per that page:

With the help of her human sidekick, Kenzi, and Dyson, a sexy police detective, Bo takes on a challenge every week helping a Fae or human client who comes to her to solve a mystery, or to right a wrong.TeraSuccubi (talk) 13:43, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

References

Bo's last name

I added Bo's last name (Jones), which could be seen on her driver's license in episode one (at 08:17). I'm just mentioning that here if someone wants to verify it (because, as far as I could see, her last name doesn't show up anywhere in the promo materials). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emptytalk (talk • contribs) 20:05, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm not sure that is her name. She has stated that she has a lot of false IDs. Mebby it's better to wait for a reveal in the series? Thoughts? TeraSuccubi (talk) 22:17, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Hm... yeah could be. We can leave it until next episode and see whether any new info comes up then? But if it bothers you, feel free to remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emptytalk (talk • contribs) 10:48, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

It really doesn't bother me, but we shouldn't spread it all over the article I think until it's confirmed right? Leaving it till the next episode appears.TeraSuccubi (talk) 13:36, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

According to Episode 2, she has stated that her human parents are named Sam and Mary Dennis, but that still might not be her name. I suggest that we leave it as Bo until it is revealed better. Thoughts? TeraSuccubi (talk) 18:54, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Finally removed Jones as Bo's last name. The show has never called her anything but Bo and therefore we do not have a reference for her last name that is valid at this time. All other references are either fake ID's or human names that may not apply. It is also possible that her name ISN'T really Bo, but since that is how she is referred to, that should be the only name used. TeraSuccubi (talk) 17:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Is there a specific way to list cast?

I'd like to know if there is a specific point at which cast members should be added to this page. Are we listing regular cast members only (better than 90% of the time in an episode), or just anyone that appears in the series, even if it is for one or two episodes only? TeraSuccubi (talk) 23:43, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Sony Spin

I'm trying to figure out how to give a reference to what I wrote about Sony Spin playing Lost Girl. There are several articles like here and here that reference the fact, but I am not sure they are good sources. However on the Sony Spin site, there is a promo for the series there and therefore is it on that channel. How do you reference that properly? Thanks for any thoughts! TeraSuccubi (talk) 17:01, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Cleaning up the article

I went through the article and cleaned it up a bit and "adequately summarize[d] its contents." Perhaps the tag on the top of the article can now be removed? Majesdane (talk) 04:05, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

Hale as a main character

I'm going to put Hale in the main character section as he gets way more screen time than Lauren yet she has been put in the main character section and Hale has been dubbed as a recurring character.

OneMadRabbit (talk) 20:01, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Considering that all of the promo images of the cast have Bo, Kenzi, Dyson, Hale, Trick and Lauren in them as the main cast of the series, I'd agree with that! TeraSuccubi (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 00:36, 25 February 2012 (UTC).

Why not in Northern Ontario too?

"...at sites across southern Ontario..." -- why always Southern Ontario, why not film in Northern Ontario too once in a while? And I don't mean Muskoka or Parry Sound; I mean the real Northern Ontario, north of the French River. And don't give me that 'oh it's too far away' baloney, stop being wusses. Did they say 'oh, it's too far away', when the American film industry first moved out to Hollywood from New York in the early 1900s? No, because Americans are not wusses unlike Southern Ontarioans.
--Atikokan (talk) 03:18, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, call Showcase and ask them? But to be blunt, the show is on a limited budget and that is the main reason they tend to shoot around Toronto.TeraSuccubi (talk) 19:06, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Aife or Aoife

The only official source to have ever spelled the name publicly spells it "Aife" (see the "Fae-vourite foe" poll on the Lost Girl website [1]). This spelling has also been confirmed by Emily Andras (showrunner of season 3) via a Twitter Direct Message. Faenonymous (talk) 04:26, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

Bo's last name... again

It appears someone has put Dennis in as Bo's last name again and even created a separate article by that name for the character as well (referencing an AfterEllen article as the source - dubious in my opinion, as AfterEllen does not meet the "reliable source" standards of Wikipedia). I'm against the idea of using a last name for Bo until it has been addressed in a more definitive way by the show, but I realize this could be a contentious choice, so I'm calling for a vote. Please reply with opinions by Sept 30, 2012 23:59 UTC and I will update the articles (if necessary) to reflect the majority opinion. Faenonymous (talk) 16:47, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Support. Remove references to Dennis in article - No real proof in series of this being her name. TeraSuccubi (talk) 17:46, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Bo Dennis (Lost Girl) includes a reference sourced to SciFi Australia. The link was to an official comic that actually used the name "Dennis" but I'm not sure that can be used as a reliable source though. In any case, the link is dead and the article should be redirected back here, as without the SciFi and AfterEllen refs it's completely unsourced, in-universe and fails to establish notability. --AussieLegend (talk) 18:14, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Unanimous. Thanks for your input! I've updated the articles to remove all references to "Dennis" as being Bo's last name, and the Bo Dennis (Lost Girl) page has been renamed to Bo (Lost Girl). Let's hope this is the last time this is an issue until we get a reliable answer from an official source. Cheers, Faenonymous (talk) 18:02, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Um, I know that this matter is resolved, but I decided to point out the following anyway: AfterEllen.com does pass as a WP:Reliable source, especially for LGBT people and LGBT fictional characters, and it is used all over Wikipedia as such. But whether or not it is a reliable source specifically for Bo's last name is another matter. 220.255.2.98 (talk) 05:40, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

I believe you may be confused about the reliable source policy. Please forgive this somewhat long explanation. As per WP:Reliable source, reliability is dependent upon meeting the definition of a "source" and upon the context being used. Very few websites are considered reliable for all information they contain. For example, Microsoft is a reliable source for Windows 8 information, but Linux information on Microsoft's website should not be considered reliable, as Microsoft is not Linux itself, Linux's creator or Linux's publisher, so it fails the definition of a "source". Similarly, the only Lost Girl information for which AfterEllen qualifies as a "source" is information directly created by the site such as survey statistics and interviews conducted by AfterEllen staff. So far, the only reliable source for Bo's last name is the TV show itself, and the consensus is that it has not provided a clear answer between Dennis, Jones or something else (such as McCorrigan or Bo's father's last name). Faenonymous (talk) 01:35, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I am not confused about Wikipedia's reliable sources "policy," especially since I'm very familiar with it. I put "policy" in quotation marks because WP:Reliable sources isn't a policy; it's a guideline. WP:Verifiability is the policy. And I don't mean any disrespect toward you, but it does seem that you are confused about a few things concerning the WP:Reliable sources guideline. For example, we could use Microsoft as a reliable source for information about Linux. Would it be the most reliable source for such information? Perhaps not. But that doesn't mean that it's unreliable for that information either. And in most cases, Wikipedia prefers WP:SECONDARY SOURCES over WP:PRIMARY SOURCES. If you look at the References section of the Microsoft article, you will see that the Microsoft article is mostly supported by non-Microsoft sources...which helps to show the WP:Notability of the corporation and helps ensure WP:Neutrality regarding information about it. A better example of a reliability no-no would be using a WWE source for information about computers or even Bo's last name; in no way is that a suitable/reliable source for such information. The same cannot be stated of AfterEllen.com concerning information about Bo, at least not regarding most information about her. All I was doing was making clear that it passes as a WP:Reliable source, which any experienced Wikipedia editor on such matters at the WP:Reliable sources noticeboard will tell you. Nowhere did I state that AfterEllen.com is reliable for all information they contain; I stated that they are reliable for information about LGBT people and LGBT fictional characters; this has proven true time and time again on Wikipedia, which is why the source is used for such all over Wikipedia. Again, AfterEllen.com's reliability for such information has been validated times over. It is not true that the only cases they qualify as a source concerning Lost Girl is with regard to information directly created by the site; they can be used to cite the premise of the show, that Bo almost dies in [so and so episode], that she's sexually attracted to men and women, that the new season has been scheduled to start on [so and so date], and so on. Just like the source is used for such information for other dramas/fictional characters all over Wikipedia. But I did question whether or not the source is reliable specifically for Bo's last name, and I only questioned that because of the inconsistencies surrounding it. So I don't know what you are quibbling over, other than the fact that I cleared up for folks that AfterEllen.com does indeed qualify as what Wikipedia considers a reliable source. It's not like it considers all sources reliable just as long as they pertain to something the sources specialize in. It's very clear about what sources aren't reliable at all, and your initial comment definitely seemed to lump AfterEllen.com into that category. 220.255.2.151 (talk) 06:04, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of citation by User

Judging by the messages in her/his talk page, user Nikkimaria is traveling through Wikipedia deleting many, many citations under the premise that they are not appropriate under WP:USERG and WP:ELNO guidelines.

I posted the following comment today in her/his talk page:

"Re: Your deletion of citation in Lost Girl.You say that you're adhering to WP:USERG -- yet the article is about "Identifying reliable sources". So according to you, Wikia is not a reliable source. How so? Because it's your opinion about it? You say it fell "afoul" of WP:ELNO -- yet it didn't, because the Wikia link directed to a legitimate website that offers more categories, minutiae, and images about Lost Girl than Wikipedia. I think your edit was based on a bias against Wikia. However, unlike Wikia, this Wikipedia article has an admin Editor who does stay on top of changes to the page. He will do what is best for it, regardless of what a user (be it you or me) who has made an edit may feel. I suggest that instead of jumping in and altering an article you haven't contributed to in long time, that you run the change by AussieLegend first. Sometimes in your absence, an edit has been discussed and resolved. And always, always, include a summary to explain why you made a change." Pyxis Solitary (talk) 06:48, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

The content that Nikkimaria deleted was in the external links section so WP:USERG doesn't apply. It applies to sources that are used in the body of the article as citations for particular claims. The link to the Wiki was in the external links section, where we have less stringent rules regarding what can and can't be included. Many links in the external links section of articles do not meet the criteria that reliable sources must meet, and can't be used as citations. However, WP:ELNO #12 does say that links to open Wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors should be avoided and the Lost Girl wiki does seem to fall in that category. --AussieLegend (✉) 14:44, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying the difference. (Although every time I read an "ok here, not ok here" about Wikipedia it becomes *-* time for me.) Pyxis Solitary (talk) 07:53, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Edits by Anonymous User of dates related to Season Four

On September 2, 2013, in the first paragraph of the article, Anon 76.123.139.128 changed the information that a fourth season had been renewed "on February 28, 2013" to "coming in late 2013."

Now on September 29, 2013, Anon 68.52.232.120 changed the identical information in the identical paragraph about the fourth season renewal to "on November 10, 2013."

I think these Anons are the same person connecting to Wikipedia through two different IP addresses, and who doesn’t comprehend what the difference is between the date of a renewal announcement and the date of a series’ forthcoming premiere. He has changed the exact same information twice within the exact same paragraph. Talk about dense!

You're going to have your hands full when Season Four kick-starts. :-) Pyxis Solitary (talk) 09:11, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Anon obsessed with changing dates has returned under a different IP address

The nincompoop who kept changing the February 28, 2013, Showcase announcement date for Season Four is now obsessed about the date Syfy announced the premiere of Season Four. He changed the November 22, 2013 date of the cited press release by NBCUniversal/Syfy that announced the 2014 premiere on Monday, January 13. This anon doesn’t understand what a date of "announcement" is. If you can’t cut off his hands so that he doesn’t change anything in the article, then block the IP address because he just keeps distorting important dates over and over again and has become a vandal.

Another user, TeraSuccubi, undid his revision. But there just aren’t enough days in the week/month/year to stay on top of what this guy will do again to the article. Help the Lost Girl Wikipedia by blocking whatever IP address he uses to screw-up a legitimate date in the article. Pyxis Solitary (talk) 02:40, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately he keeps changing his IP address so blocking one address is rather pointless, as he'll just return using another. Temporary semi-protection isn't appropriate as there isn't enough vandalism to justify stopping other potential IPs from editing constructively. We just have to stay on top of it here and the episode list article. There are at least three of us watching, so we should be able to keep up. --AussieLegend (✉) 03:49, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I can see an issue with the inclusion of the January "premiere" and possibly why the IP has an issue with it. Given that season 4 premiered on November 10, 2013, how can it premiere again? January 2014 is just a continuation of the season, the press release even lists it under "SERIES RETURNS". It's a premiere for that episode, but not for season 4. As such, it's redundant information and should really be deleted. --AussieLegend (✉) 05:17, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

The issue with the anon is probably that he is ESL and doesn't understand English language structure (this is the benefit of the doubt, because after so many attempts to change an official record I really think he's just a vandal). January 2014 is the premiere month of Season Four in the United States. It has nothing to do with the November premiere in Canada. This is what was added to the article:

"Syfy announced the January 13, 2014, premiere of Season Four on November 22, 2013, with the show's Monday broadcast schedule changed from 10 p.m. to 8 p.m.[59]"

This is the press release by NBCUniversal/Syfy Channel about Season Four:

"November 22, 2013

SYFY KICKS OFF JANUARY 2014 WITH SEVEN NEW AND RETURNING ORIGINAL SERIES INCLUDING…

Content:

"SERIES RETURNS

LOST GIRL (SEASON 4 PREMIERE) MONDAY, JANUARY 13 AT 8PM"

The series returned to Canadian television in November. The series returns to United States television in January. These facts are not one and the same – Canada is A and United States is B. Wikipedia contributors cannot control how a press release is worded. We only contribute the information provided by the source. The announcement of the premiere of Season Four in the United States was made in a press release dated November 22, 2013. The specific announced date of its premiere is January 13 (2014). Maybe it boggles the mind of the anon because it is so simple and straightforward. Pyxis Solitary (talk) 02:10, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Listing of directors and writers in infobox

Television show articles almost never include directors and writers in the infobox because there are often too many of them. I see no reason why this article should be an exception. There are a lot of directors and writers for this show and including them makes the infobox extremely long. JDDJS (talk) 14:18, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Catch words: "almost never". You see no reason, but editors who came before you and have helped this wiki grow see it differently. Because many other TV show articles have not made full use of fields in a template does not mean all TV articles shouldn't. The fields exist for a reason. It they're not fully utilized within many other TV show articles .... oh well. Behaving like a bull in a china shop as your first edit is not going to earn you any support for your opinions. As another Wikipedia member commented about this specific matter in a discussion about it: "Looking at the transclusions, I see 3/4 of the major shows do not have it but 1/4 do. I also see there is no discussion of when to use it in the template documentation." So until a centralized Wikipedia discussion is created about the "|writer" and "|director" template fields and a decision against including them is voted upon, there is no justification for removing the information from them in the Lost Girl article. Pyxis Solitary (talk) 02:32, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Actually, the instructions for {{Infobox television}} say, regarding the |writer= field, "Don't use if the show has many (5+) writers." I don't see why that shouldn't also apply to the |director= field. The purpose of the infobox is to summarise pertinent points in the article. If there are only a few writing and directing a whole series then their involvement does become significant and there's good reason to list them. However, because TV series generally have a lot of different writers and directors, the fields are generally unused because the names of the writers and directors are not significant, and they're generally listed in the episode lists anyway. Infoboxes shouldn't fill the page, which is why we restrict the listings. Just because a field exists, doesn't always mean it's appropriate to use it. --AussieLegend (✉) 04:17, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Aife is the correct spelling of the Lost Girl character (not Aoife)

Periodically, someone changes the spelling of the character's name to the Irish spelling "A-oi-fe (Aoife)". During Season One, the character was called "Saskia". That is how her name appeared in the cast credits. The next time she appears in the series is in Episode 3.12 and in the cast credits at the end of the episode, the character's name is spelled Aife. Regardless of the origin of a name, how character names are spelled in the Wikipedia article needs to be the spelling used by the writers who create the characters in the show. Pyxis Solitary (talk) 08:26, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Summarization/Rewrite of Lauren section

From the level of detail involved, it's clear the person/people who wrote the Lauren section are big fans. It is significantly longer than any other character though, even the main character Bo, and as such seems out of place. If someone has time, this section should be summarized better or rewriten in order to bring it more in line with the rest of the characters. Faenonymous (talk) 01:13, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

The Lauren section appears to have been modified to match the level of detail of the other characters. My thanks to the editor who made the change. Faenonymous (talk) 16:50, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

the lauren section has grown out of control again. its time for lauren to have her own page and the summary section to return to just being a summary. 207.112.10.28 (talk) 21:23, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Instead of expecting another editor to carry your water, why don't YOU create a Wikipedia page for Lauren? You got this far -- go another mile. Pyxis Solitary (talk) 23:53, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Crime drama?

The lead currently considers this to be a supernatural crime drama. I really would not categorize this as crime drama. While I won't complain about it being in the cat for crime dramas or crime being listed in the infobox, I feel the lead should contain only what multiple sources call it, and as of now, there are no sources listed calling it a crime drama. If nobody opposes it by Thursday, I will remove it myself. JDDJS (talk) 15:08, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

It's described as a "drama" by the people who created it. You will also find the term "fantasy-noir" used in media releases from 2009 and 2010. The term "crime drama" does not appear in any of the Showcase/Shaw Media/Prodigy Pictures media releases I've found (but much information is no longer available on the web so no one except sources from the production company and home channel can really confirm that the term "crime drama" has never been used to describe Lost Girl. In any event, "drama" is how it has been referred to by the people who know a lot more than the after-market know-it-alls otherwise known as Wikipedia editors.

Lost Girl Finds Home On Showcase

TORONTO, August 13, 2009

A drama loaded with mystery, romance and intrigue, Lost Girl focuses on the gorgeous and charismatic Bo – a Succubus with heart.

http://jayfirestone.com/Press?news_id=39

P.S. (just in case you didn't know) Jay Firestone is the last word. He conceived the idea that became Bo. He hired Michelle Lovretta to write the pilot. He used his own funds to produce the pilot when no bank would take a chance on approving a loan to produce a tv show about a "bisexual female superhero". Pyxis Solitary (talk) 07:24, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I have no problem with the term drama. I left that in when I removed crime. It was solely the crime part I had trouble with. JDDJS (talk) 16:04, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Rachel Skarsten name & article template

Once again, someone has changed the actor name credits in the infobox template to add Rachel Skarsten to it. And once again, the edit has been reversed.

Rachel Skarsten has her fans and it's understandable that her fans will want to see her name in the infobox template, but the names in the infobox are the names credited by the show itself as being (1) the top main actors, and (2) the next main actors.

In the episodes (the original, Canadian, Showcase episodes), the first top main actors that appear before the Lost Girl tv series title are (in order of appearance): Anna Silk, Kris Holden-Ried, Ksenia Solo, Zoie Palmer — these names are billed before the name of the creator of the series, Michelle Lovretta, and appearance of show title. They are then followed, in the order of billing, by the next main actors: Rick Howland, K.C. Collins.

Anna Silk, Kris Holden-Ried, Ksenia Solo, Zoie Palmer names appear in the main cast credits even when they do not appear in an episode.

The above-referenced six main actor names are then followed by the names of guest actors (recurring cast) that appear in an individual episode, and the recurring cast is followed by the special guest actors that appear in the episode.

We do not know at this point in time if, starting with Season 5, any recurring cast actor has been contractually elevated to the position of main cast on the series, and if he or she will now follow Rick Howland in the order of billing.

On a different but related note: how is it possible for the following IP address to gain access to Wikipedia and the person using it be able to alter the template (as was done today): 2605:6000:FF41:5100:E15B:9481:57DB:AD91 Pyxis Solitary (talk) 01:29, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Why using "sacrifice" to describe what happened between Dyson and The Norn is incorrect

Wikipedia is not a shipping site. The word "sacrifice" has been bantered about by fans of Bo/Dyson to compare against Bo's relationship with Lauren, but Dyson DID NOT offer his love to The Norn -- he offered his wolf. The Norn tricked Dyson and took his ability to feel passion because she realized that what he valued most was no longer his wolf (which is what she demanded the first time he went to her and he refused to offer it in exchange for her intervention). I reviewed the scripts of the episodes and these are the dialogs about Dyson and The Norn that address precisely what happened.

→ from Something Wicked This Fae Comes (201)

I asked a Norn for help when Bo went to face her mother.
I was in shock, okay? Denial. Whatever you want.
What the Norn took from you, maybe Bo can get it back.

I asked a Norn to give you my strength against your mother. Norns take in payment what you value most. I didn't know what it was at the time. I offered her my wolf. That's not what she took.
Well, what did take?
Us.

→ from I Fought The Fae (And the Fae Won) (202)

I warned you about the Norn. About the Ancients and their trickery.

I told you once that wolves mate for life. Well, I gave that love to you. And I don't regret it. But, the Norn took it.

→ from Midnight Lamp (214)

I learned today that there's something broken inside of me. Something that can't be fixed.
What happened?
I went to see a Norn.
I know about the Norn. I heard the rumors and I don't blame you for Stephan's death. I'm glad you didn't deal with the Norn, no one ever should.
I did deal with her! Just not then. It was recently. To save Bo's life.
What did she take?
I offered her my wolf. But she took my love instead.

→ from Into The Dark (221)

I need my love back, Norn. I'm nothing without it.
This is a selfless request. I need to become whole to help the champion defeat the coming darkness before it consumes us all.

Once and for all:

The word "take" is the term consistently used to describe what happened between Dyson and The Norn.
In the series, the word "sacrifice" was used in reference to the story of King Leopold and the tribute he made to the Norns. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.87.205.58 (talk • contribs) 09:17, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

For those as confused as me about use of the word "shipping", I belivee the IP is referring to Shipping (fandom). When I read "shipping" I associate it with shipping. --AussieLegend (✉) 17:25, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Addition of Paul Rapovski as a 'co-developer' of series

Paul Rapovski is credited in the series as an Executive Producer. As an addition to infobox this is correct information. However, there is no authoritative source that corroborates his credit as a co-developer of the series. A fan is not a credible source. Whenever his name has been mentioned in press releases or statements about Lost Girl, he is listed among other executive producers -- only. To wit:

Canada Media Fund

Lost Girl

Lost Girl was developed by Prodigy Pictures, in association with Shaw Media and Showcase. Executive Producers are Jay Firestone, Plato Fountidakis, and Paul Rapovski. Co-Executive Producers are Michelle Lovretta, Jeremy Boxen and Brad Markowitz. Vanessa Piazza is Associate Producer and Wanda Chaffey is Producer.

source: http://www.canadaonscreen.ca/productions/television/lost_girl1

CanWest releases 2010 TV schedule with 14 new shows

July 9, 2010

Lost Girl (fall 2010) -- 13 by 60 minutes

Lost Girl follows supernatural seductress Bo, a succubus raised by humans, who just discovered she was born of a secret line of inhuman beings called Fae. Making her living as a private investigator, each week she must solve a new mystery while trying to remain neutral in the ancient battle between the light and the dark Fae and searching for the mother who abandoned her. Lost Girl was developed by Prodigy Pictures, in association with CanWest Broadcasting and Showcase. Executive producers are Jay Firestone, Michelle Lovretta, Peter Mohan, Plato Fountidakis and Paul Rapovski.

source: http://www.stockwatch.com/News/Item.aspx?bid=Z-C%3ACGS-1739074&symbol=CGS&region=C

Showcase Picks Up Lost Girl (from media release)

August 14, 2009

Lost Girl is developed and produced by Prodigy Pictures, with the participation of the Canadian Television Fund, the Canadian Film or Video Production Tax Credit and the Ontario Media Development Corporation. The series is executive produced by Jay Firestone, Paul Rapovksi, Plato Fountidakis, Michelle Lovretta and Peter Mohan. Lovretta also serves as Creator/Writer for Lost Girl and the series is also written by Mohan. Lost Girl is produced by Wanda Chaffey.

source: http://www.tv-eh.com/2009/08/14/showcase-picks-up-lost-girl/

Pyxis Solitary (talk) 02:50, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

New *Sexuality* section

The new *Sexuality* section does not comply with WP:MOSTV § 3.6: "Included here should be information about the character's personality, motives, and interpretations of their actions....Information for this section will typically come from secondary sources, like scholarly journals analyzing the character or the show, or television critics. It could also come from the creative team of the show."

Where to begin?

The content of the new section created by User:Chiibits on March 18, 2015, has information that is contrary to the established characterization of the lead character, Bo. Example: "Bo is viewed as a bisexual (could be seen as a pansexual) succubus woman." Aside from the fact that Lost Girl's Wikipedia article already states in its first sentence that the series "follows the life of a bisexual succubus named Bo", the specific description of Bo being a bisexual character is supported within the article by cited interviews with the show's creator, Michelle Lovretta, and interviews with Anna Silk. Jay Firestone, Executive Producer and owner of Prodigy Pictures, also described Bo as bisexual: "The basic premise when we started, my basic pitch, was: she’s good, she’s bad, she’s bi." - Syfy Lost Girl Producer Jay Firestone Discusses New Season and Show Origins, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdGBbfpAKt0. This conclusive description of Bo's sexual orientation has been pointed out in the past when other editors with personal agendas have wanted to remove the specification of "bisexual". Furthermore, there is no pansexuality involved in the series. Bo has been shown having sex only with definitive males and females -- she has not been shown being attracted to or having sex with a transgender individual. There have been no gender binary themes in the sexuality portrayed in Lost Girl.

The claim that the relationship between Bo and Dyson was "monogamous until their end in season one" is a fabrication. It is not supported by the storyline of Season 1. In Season 3, the relationship between Bo and Lauren was the first time Bo was shown trying to be monogamous.

The statement that Bo and Tamsin "are just two strong women who have no problem with being a one night stand to each other" is a misrepresentation of the actual storyline of the first half of Season 5. Yes, Bo had casual sex with Tamsin, but she was oblivious to what Tamsin thought actually existed between them and their sexual dalliance was brought to an end in Episode 5.07. Per showrunner of Season 5: "In terms of Bo, she loves Tamsin, but not in the way Tamsin loves her. Bo, being a succubus, people fall for her. In the cases of Dyson and Lauren, it was reciprocated. What happened with Tamsin was an opportunity for us to tell the story of what happens when feelings aren’t mutual." - Michael Grassi, 'Lost Girl' Talk: Michael Grassi on "Here Comes the Night", http://www.cinefilles.ca/2015/01/18/lost-girl-talk-michael-grassi-on-here-comes-the-night/.

The statement that "other characters in the series are seen to not be completely straight or heteronormative" is a redundant description of bisexuality. The Morrigan is bisexual. Vex has always been sexually kinky and flirtatious with males, and in Season 5 we find out that he, too, is bisexual. The multiple statements of bisexual undercurrents and scenes are repetitive statements ("Sexuality is fluid in this series. Bo swings both ways", etc.) And what is the intention for adding: "The show even has some steamy sexual sequences on screen that portray both straight and lesbian sex."

The content of the *Sexuality* section is not an analytical contribution -- it's a personal commentary.

If it is going to remain it needs to be completely rewritten based on facts supported by Lost Girl's creators and by events seen in the storyline ... not by theories and personal statements from fans (and absolutely without even an iota of 'shipping'). Pyxis Solitary (talk) 04:32, 21 March 2015 (UTC) (edited)

There is far too much original research in the section, tvtropes is not a reliable source and the only other reference is dubious. The section contains far too much information for a main series article. It definitely needs some cleaning up and appropriate sourcing. --AussieLegend (✉) 12:23, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

I have edited the section from 802 words to 462 (includes quotation), and moved it to a different location per WP:MOSTV. The blog-like 'personal commentary' slant has been eliminated. Sources used as references: Michelle Lovretta interview, newspaper story, quote from Rachel Skarsten, magazine article (interview with Anna Silk and Zoie Palmer), scholarly paper presented at the 2014 Film and History Conference. Pyxis Solitary (talk) 05:18, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Citations for opening monologue

No citation is required for an opening monologue that appears in most episodes. We don't need to find a secondary source that proves William Shatner says "Space, the final frontier..." at the beginning of episodes of Star Trek. Primary sources can be used for non-controversial content like this, and the source is implied through the text that introduces the quotation. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:14, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

See MOS:QUOTEMARKS under "Blockquotes": "The source should be cited clearly and precisely to enable readers to locate the text in question, and to quote it accurately themselves from Wikipedia." It is helpful to editors who are verifying quotations to cite to a written source rather than expect them to watch video. Not sure why people are making such an outcry about it, it's a simple thing to do! I did it for y'all. Skyerise (talk) 17:20, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Cyphoidbomb. The same applies here as it does to episode summaries. When writing episode summaries we don't need citations as the episodes themselves serve as reliable sources. This is something that is widely accepted. The text before the quote serves as the verifiable attribution required by MOS:QUOTE. If this was a quote from one episode a citation would be required but this is something that has been in every episode so it's easily verifiable by anyone simply by watching an episode. WP:V, which is a policy, requires that everything be verifiable, but it does not require that everything be cited. --AussieLegend (✉) 18:38, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

What does it hurt to have a source? I mean, really, come on! Skyerise (talk) 19:17, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm not inclined to remove it now that it is there, but your demands for one were unrealistic and unnecessary. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:34, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you view article tags as "demands". That's not assuming good faith. I regularly tag articles for various things needing improvement. There are almost never complaints about this from other editors: most editors realize that tags are not directed at them but are rather directed at improving the article, and reactions like the ones from several editors of this article are rare. I frequently come back and make the corrections or additions myself. Getting upset about a {{cite quote}} template seems either a bit oversensitive or an indication of article ownership, IMO. Skyerise (talk) 19:42, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

You are projecting upset, oversensitivity, and ownership erroneously onto me. "quote needs citation", "every quotation requires a following citation" are demands. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:54, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

"There are almost never complaints about this from other editors" - Your entire editing style has drawn significant opposition from editors recently. You have found yourself at WP:ANI and WP:AN3 because of it and even received a discretionary sanctions notice. You tagged User_talk:Pyxis Solitary with an unnecessary COI warning,[2] and when he/she tried to discuss your edits on your talk page you were decidedly uncivil,[3] and then told Pyxis Solitary to stay off your talk page,[4] so please don't say that there are almost never complaints. Regardless of what you think, adding a tag is a demand, and in this case an unnecessary one at that, especially when you restore it after another editor has explained why it was unnecessary. --AussieLegend (✉) 20:29, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I normally edit less popular articles, due to the ownership issues and rampant lack of assumption of good faith on popular articles. Don't worry, I'll be going back to that mode after the Village Pump discussion is closed. You're no winner yourself, being frequently antagonistic to me for no apparent reason other than that you want "your" articles "your" way. Skyerise (talk) 20:36, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Oh, and an article talk page is not an appropriate place to make a listing of what you see as my "flaws". Article talk pages are solely for discussing content, not directing vitriol at other editors you have chosen to dislike. Skyerise (talk) 20:59, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

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references to title

Does anyone know how many episodes contain references to the title of the show? I just noticed in s4e4 in response to "who's that girl?" Dyson replies "she's lost" ~9min in. I don't know if that's the first one. I figure the title overall is a reference to Bo but I guess it could apply to the other heroines too since they all have mysterious pasts? Ranze (talk) 21:04, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Bisexual in the lead

Does bisexual belong in the lead? I don't think it really it belongs there. JDDJS (talk) 03:03, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

I, personally, don't have a problem with it. I don't believe in pushing characters into closets and denying their sexual orientation. Bo is bisexual. The portrayal of her bisexuality is considered groundbreaking by both mainstream and LGBT media. She was specifically created as a bisexual protagonist:

"The basic premise when we started, my basic pitch, was: she’s good, she’s bad, she’s bi." - Jay Firestone

Syfy Lost Girl Producer Jay Firestone Discusses New Season and Show Origins (Comic-Con 2012)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdGBbfpAKt0

"When Prodigy (our studio) asked me to create a show about some kind of bisexual superhero who uses sex as part of her arsenal, my first thought was 'hell, yes!" - Michelle Lovretta

An Interview with Michelle Lovretta

http://watercoolerjournal.com/?page_id=3077

"Bo is a succubus, a grown woman, and bisexual…" - Michelle Lovretta

Nine Questions with Lost Girl Creator and Writer Michelle Lovretta

http://www.rgbfilter.com/?p=10538

Information found in Wikipedia exists for the many, not the few. Pyxis Solitary (talk) 03:31, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

One thing I think worth clarifying is that she's functionally bisexual (as in having actual relationships with both genders) as opposed to merely an orientation, which could describe someone attracted to both genders but who only have sexual relationships with one of them. Ranze (talk) 21:06, 15 December 2016 (UTC)