Talk:Lost in the Sound of Separation

Where are you coming up with this??

The track list needs a citation. People could be making this up for all I know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sector311 (talk • contribs) 18:44, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

There was a citation, but its gone now. It also had album art work. --xMetal_Madnessx (talk) 22:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Darker

Darker? I'm suprised. I thought Define the Great Line was perfectly dark enough. --Alreajk (talk) 01:35, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Guess I was wrong, the new songs are sounding fantastic. ----alreajk (converse) 23:24, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Completely agreed. ~~-~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.79.81.162 (talk) 18:12, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I would hardly consider Underoath to be "dark". – Jerry^teps 05:21, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I think this is a dark album.The guitars and vocals all give this album a darker sound. It's a deeper album than the last in my opinion.:] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.30.154.136 (talk) 01:49, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Dark but not creepy. - anony.

Deathcore, Metalcore/????

Where are people getting this???? The album hasnt even been released yet and people are arleady writing genres???? --xMetal_Madnessx (talk) 22:39, 23 June 2008 (UTC) telling the truth i dont know where they get any of this crap.-Sector311 (talk) 23:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Seriously Underoath is not Deathcore. Metalcore yes, but they're not some emo punk band. --Alreajk (talk) 00:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I don't think we should add a genre until the album comes out. They said it was going to be heavier, we don't know if it will be metalcore or not, they might go back to something like their original 2 albums (Act of Depression and Cries of the Past) those albums were not metalcore.Emo777 (talk) 06:28, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

I Think The Album may be Deathcore since it means Death Metal and Metalcore mixed. The first song they have relesed on their myspace dose have some death metal undertones. Like with the instumental and spencers low/death growls, but it did still have it's Metalcore sound in it. So the possablity of them being deathcore in this album could be high. i'm not 100% sure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.233.233.40 (talk) 21:59, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Track Listings

The track listings were fake... Heres proof http://youtube.com/watch?v=J77WzHdt46Y—Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamaha519vx (talk • contribs) 19:24, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

That could j/be a code name. Doesn't mean the others were fake.71.79.81.162 (talk) 13:48, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

But remember the MTV interview said they were working with names like Viper and Elephant and what not. Plus that website is not trusted. But the name Lost in the Sound of Separation is true because MTV posted it. Album art is unknown but it could be real. Also here's another new song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TDGvydYCy4—Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamaha519vx (talk • contribs) 19:24, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, the name Desperate Times, Desperate Measures was confirmed to be on the Madden '09 soundtrack, so that means that either Viper Pit is a codename, or parts of the track listing is right, while others are wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.251.150 (talk) 07:23, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Leak

The album has been leaked, but I don't want to cite the source yet since it obviously isn't legal. As soon as I see another prominent source reference the leak, I can add that as a reference. Artemis11 (talk) 04:35, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

According to Wikipedia:ALBUM#LEAK a leak date is not notable and should not be included in an album article unless "it resulted in some other action that is notable, such as being directly responded to by the musical artist or their management, or the leak itself receiving broad media coverage." A few examples of this are Minutes to Midnight (album)#Leak and The Devil and God Are Raging Inside Me#History. Fezmar9 (talk) 05:06, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Genre dispute

The last several edits to this page have been regarding the genre. I placed comments in the infobox to direct people here first, and placed both post-hardcore and metalcore in the genre slot — these are used to describe the band on the Underoath page, and on all Underoath albums since Cries of the Past. If you have any objects or comments to this decision, feel free to discuss them here. Please do not make any changes before discussing them first. Thank you. Fezmar9 (talk) 21:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

If it gets any worse we may have to request page protection. Jakisbak (talk) 21:29, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

I have the leak of the entire album, calling it anything other than metalcore is foolish. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.251.150 (talk) 02:50, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Before saying that it is foolish to call it anything other than metalcore, please explain how it fails to meet the description of post hardcore. We're all ears. ŁittleÄlien¹⁸² (_talk\^contribs) 04:08, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Allmusic seys its post-hardcore, so im putting that in with the source. And if you tell me that its not reliable, i may just kill myself. Jakisbak (talk) 20:55, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

That sounds good to me. This album seems to epitomize the post-hardcore genre, and the Allmusic.com references further bolsters this claim. ŁittleÄlien¹⁸² (_talk\^contribs) 18:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

The source also says "punk metal" which is sometimes what articles call metalcore, as it is a fusion genre of hardcore punk and metal. Generally allmusic is way off in their genre labeling (it lists They're Only Chasing Safety as alt metal/emo, Atreyu's first three albums as black metal/death metal, and it really likes calling mainstream music post-grunge like Lostprophets and Linkin Park), but this time I think it's pretty accurate. Underoath's music is a blend of post-hardcore and metalcore. Overall, the music is more post-hardcore, but with the intense screaming and several heavier sections, it is also metalcore. Fezmar9 (talk) 19:23, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

We all know Allmusic is notorious for badly defining genres and honestly I think they make some stuff up like "punk metal" which I've never seen anywhere else(and happened to write a bad review in my and many other review writers opinions)so I'm going to completely ignore any argument based on that as a source. Anyway, as someone who listens to a lot of metalcore, post-hardcore, and a lot of other metal as many of you do, I can definitely agree with calling this album metalcore alone as it clearly fits into that genre as a blend of (post-)hardcore and metal. What I disagree with is also calling it equally post-hardcore. Their is definitely a strong post-hardcore influence especially in songs like Desperate Times Desperate Measures, but for the vast majority, the songs are a lot heavier, darker and more aggressive than anything I would call post-hardcore which comes from a more death metal like influence. Really I don't mind having post-hardcore as a genre as long as it is noted as a more minor part of the sound than metalcore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Justinb904 (talk • contribs) 20:15, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

The Genre for this Album should be Metalcore/Experimental Metal. do to the fact that almost every review talk how experimetal this band is.Skateremorocker (talk) 20:10, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

A metalcore band that is "experimental" does not necessarily make that band experimental metal, unless the band's music is characterized by it's experimentation. Underoath and, more specifically, Lost in the Sound of Separation does not fall under this category. True, Underoath --in this album-- does a good deal of experimenting (i.e. by "experimenting," I mean they deviate from the sound of their previous albums), but they hardly experiment in such a way that would lead someone to classify them as an "experimental" band. If you can find a reliable source that describes them as an "experimental metal" band and not simply a band that has experimented with new sounds on their last album, I will be more than willing to accept your "experimental metal" claim. ŁittleÄlien¹⁸² (_talk\^contribs) 00:42, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

you know what you have a good point. but i will go look for a source!user:skateremorocker —Preceding undated comment was added at 20:32, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

There seems to be a general consensus that this album is post-hardcore, so I'm adding it to the infobox. ŁittleÄlien¹⁸² (_talk\^contribs) 01:55, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Yea, I am not sure why that was removed. Fezmar9 (talk) 05:10, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay, my two cents: Allmusic reviews are reliable, as they are attributable to a writer, but Allmusic tags are not reliable, as we can't tell if the writer was the one who put up the tags. The sources listed in the article that actually discuss genre are the allmusic, alt-press, JFH, and About.com reviews. There may be other sources, but those are the ones in the article. Going by the sources, the genre description should be post-hardcore, screamo metalcore, hardcore, and emo.--3family6 (talk) 13:58, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Lyrics written by XXXX?

I though this was Tim's album/turn to write the lyrics. Supposedly Aaron Gillespie wrote(with the help of other members) most of They're Only Chasing Safety, Spencer wrote (with the help of other members) most of Define the Great Line and now it was Tim's turn to write (with the help of other members) Lost in the Sound of Separation. It says "all lyrics written by Spencer and Aaron" and i can recall that it was not only them. Can someone please post citations or correct this when possible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.168.208.20 (talk) 15:46, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

For a limited time, Tooth & Nail Records posted detailed pictures of all versions and their booklets. The personnel section and the section you are talking about were taken from this information. Personnel sections typically don't need a source if they come from the liner notes, and their record label is a reliable source. When the album is physically released, that information will be double checked. Fezmar9 (talk) 15:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I bought the album a few days ago, it says on it that only Spencer Chaimberlain and Aaron Gillispie wrote the lyrics. Emo777 (talk) 04:46, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Release date

I propose that the release date be changed to September 2, 2008 (the U.S. release date) since this is the English version of wikipedia. I don't think it makes sense to list the international release date in the infobox. However, I think it would be useful if we kept the "see release dates below" in the infobox and the table that lists the international release dates. What do you guys think? ŁittleÄlien¹⁸² (_talk\^contribs) 01:35, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh wow, a typical self-centred American. For your information, you arrogant piece of shit, there are plenty of other foreign countries who speak English. Such as Australia, where it was in fact released on the 30th of August. --StolenIdentity (talk) 08:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, change it, the release dates section is enough, we don't need redundant information. – Jerry^teps 01:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

According to WP:ALBUM#Released the earliest known date is to be posted in the infobox. Fezmar9 (talk) 01:46, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Sales From Other Countrys

I have heard many people talking about how on nov 1st, Underoath had sold alittle over 86,000 to 90,000 copies in the UK. and that on Oct 26 Underoath had sold close to 56,000 copies in Italy. and in Japan they sold close to 75,000 on nov 4th. Can Anyone prove this? and can anyone find the numbers from the other countrys they relesed this album in. Always roomer has it that Underoath has hit the 200,000 mark for coipes of their new album sold so far as of nov 14th in the usa!Hardcorescreamo777 (talk) 16:01, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Sixth or fourth?

My impression was that 'Act of Depression' and 'Cries of the Past' were EPs and 'The Changing of Times' was the first full length CD, but I've editted the articles thus a few times and it's always been reverted. Am I just wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jh39 (talk • contribs) 16:26, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Why would they be considered EPs? Fezmar9 (talk) 00:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Some people would generally consider them EPs because of their small ammount of tracks, people would regulary say an EP makes an EP just by having a small number of tracks, when this is false. It's actually a combination of time length along with the number of tracks, Act of Depression and Cries of the Past, both have seven tracks or less (which one can expect from an EP) but they both have time lengths that last longer than 40 minutes (Act of Depression time length = 55:55 --- Cries of the Past time length = 42:08), and as you would know EPs don't last that long, thus they are considered full-length albums. -- GunMetal Angel 16:20, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

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