Talk:Louis Lagassé

Removal of Sourced Information

Hello, I recently updated this page with factual information, including references to court cases that the subject lost. These updates were made in accordance with Wikipedia's guidelines on verifiability and neutrality. However, I noticed that this information has been removed, and I suspect it may have been done by someone with a conflict of interest.

I believe that the removal of this information compromises the integrity and completeness of the article. The court cases are a matter of public record and are relevant to the subject's biography.

I am reaching out to understand why this information was removed and to request the assistance of other editors in restoring the content. It is important that Wikipedia articles remain neutral and fact-based, even if the information is unfavourable to the subject.

Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to collaborating with you to ensure the accuracy and neutrality of this article.

Best regards, ~Pramod. Pramod8375 (talk) 12:03, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

The edit summaries seemed pretty complete. One said "Court records should never be used as the sole sourcing for anything in a BLP." This is explained in one of the guidelines, which I couldn't find just now. The court records are primary sources, and need a reliable secondary source to establish notability and significance. There is a risk of original research; simply stating the primary sourced information assumes its significance, and there is the temptation to provide original interpretation as was done here: "in a complex corporate restructuring aimed at recovering tax credits", "These points suggest that [...]" (appears twice), "Here are the key points.", etc. We need a reliable secondary source that has done that. _signed, Willondon (talk) 14:55, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Willondon. I made a mistake since I'm new. I understand now and will have more sourced information going forward. Enjoy the day Pramod8375 (talk) 17:29, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Willondon, I found more sourced information from different articles, I listed those instead. Thank you. Pramod8375 (talk) 18:13, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Conflicts of Interest

It appears the user @M5t2021 has a Conflict-of-interest editing on Wikipedia. The username "M5T" suggests the user is representing the company M5T doing business as Media5. Therefore, it appears they are trying to suppress negative information about the subject/themselves that is in the public domain. Pramod8375 (talk) 18:55, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

There is a notice on their talk page advising them of the policies surrounding conflicts of interest. If they are associated with Media5, they need to declare that. Without a declaration, looking at the edit history, I suggest any further such edits to this article should be met with a direct question on their talk page as to whether they indeed are associated with Media5. _signed, Willondon (talk) 20:31, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

P.S. I removed your addition of the source Crunchbase. There is page (Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources) with a table of sources that have been discussed previously. At WP:CRUNCHBASE, the consensus is that it should not be used as a source for anything, because significant portions of it are user generated content, i.e. no editorial filter. _signed, Willondon (talk) 20:40, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Willondon, understood. I will add a more relevant source, Dun & Bradstreet, which is more reliable and is not listed in (Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources). Pramod8375 (talk) 20:46, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Suggestion to eliminate many sections of this article because they are not properly sourced

Hello, I would like to propose to completely remove the sections: Education and early career, Professional achievements, Career, and Boards/Presidencies. These sections are not properly sourced or the links to the sources no longer work. It also reads like a CV and not an encyclopedia article.

I would also like to remove some parts of the biography section, namely this:

In 2004, he was made a member of the Order of Canada, Canada's highest civilian honor. Lagassé is best known for founding several companies including C-MAC Industries, CELL Foods Inc., Media5 Corporation, MSBI Capital Inc and Mediatrix, a software production company and advanced IP telephony equipment production company. In 1995, Lagassé has created JA Louis Lagassé Foundation, to promote and develop the arts, music, philanthropy, science and culture and to support any effort to popularize and initiation in these and areas, primarily in the region.

He received the Merit Estrien in 2008. He received the Gold Medal of the Jubilee of Queen Elizabeth II in 2002, the Medal for the 125th Anniversary of Canada (2000), Medal of Queen Elizabeth II Diamond Jubilee (2012), Medal of Honor of the House of Notaires (2011). He also invested in several projects, including the acquisition of the Granada Theatre in the City of Sherbrooke.

Nove of the above 2 paragraphs are properly sourced.

In the references section of the article, many links are dead and the source material no longer exists, here are the following links that no longer work: 1. Link 1 & 2. Link 3 to his foundation, it is indicated in red on the page "We no longer produce more financial information for this charity, here.". Links 12, 13 and 14, error 404, the pages do not exist. Links 15-18 no longer exist or no longer point to a reliable source on the topic. Overall, this article reads like a resume, not an encyclopedia article.

Could other recent users please comment and let me know if this is possible? Thank you. @Willondon @ScottishFinnishRadish Enjoy your day. Pramod8375 (talk) 12:17, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Link rot is always an issue. I suggest you check archive.org to see if they have archives of the dead links from the access date, like reference 14. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:34, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @ScottishFinnishRadish OK, thank you. I checked all those links on archive.org and nothing comes up. What about removing the sections that read like a CV/résumé with no sourcing? Can I remove this without issues? Thank you in advance, regards. Pramod8375 (talk) 13:59, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

And you can use the {{Dead link}} template to flag them, so that bots and other editors can have a go at finding a current URL for the link. _signed, Willondon (talk) 21:34, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

(re removing sections) Can you remove them? Yes. Without issues? Only time will tell. It's probably a good time for you to read the essay at Wikipedia:Be bold. Being bold also entails being prepared if another editor reverts you. It may be because of a policy or guideline you weren't aware of; or maybe there's an honest debate to be had on the talk page here. Two more miscellaneous comments: statements in the lede are often unsourced, because it summarizes content in the article body where it is sourced. There are few hard and fast rules. Articles about schools often list the principal's name; it's understood to be a noteworthy thing, even though the appointments are not usually covered by secondary sources. With this article, you could argue that the sections on Career and Boards / Presidencies contain verifiable information that is of encyclopedic value. Others may argue that it has not achieved notability without a secondary source commenting on it. So go ahead and be bold. _signed, Willondon (talk) 17:12, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Dear @Willondon thank you so very much. I truly appreciate your message and help. Best regards. Pramod8375 (talk) 23:47, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Restoration to a previous stable version!

I reviewed the page and discovered it violates WP:BLP. I also found out that one editor "Pramod8375" has persistently added accusations and legal issues which are against WP:BLP. Same editor has only edited same page in their contributions.

I therefore restored revision 1249143604 by the admin "ScottishFinnishRadish" which is stable : As stated by the admin "Court records should never be used as the sole sourcing for anything in a BLP". Also "Accusations, investigations, arrests and charges do not amount to a conviction. See WP:BLPCRIME. Padibso (talk) 05:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

I undid your version. I don't see any court records being cited in the most recent version. If I'm wrong, please point them out. Nor do I see any violations of BLPCRIME; remember, Lagassé is a "public figure".--Bbb23 (talk) 14:26, 10 December 2024 (UTC)