Talk:Louis VII of France

Philip II's title

Hello Surtsicna- Re your revert: I'm not sure why you prefer having a link point to a redirect rather than to the actual target article title. But in any case, I think you will find that the of France in Philip II of France is a standard form for expressing that we're talking about a king of France. I imagine that's why the article is titled "Philip II of France" rather than "Philip II, King of France". I think the "King of" part is unnecessary in an infobox where it's utterly clear that it's a king. That, in addition to your pointing to a redirect, is why I reverted your change. Eric ^talk 03:38, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Eric. Please take a look at WP:NOTBROKEN and WP:NOPIPE. There is nothing wrong with pointing to redirects. They are perfectly normal, working links. Now, I prefer to have Philip listed with his title because the other five children of Louis VII are listed with their titles. It is simply a matter of consistency. It is a bit odd to list daughters with titles they held through marriage and younger sons with their appanages while the kings are listed without their titles. A reader who is not familiar with Wikipedia's article naming guidelines (which have no bearing on how we refer to peoplee in articles themselves) might get a wrong idea. Surtsicna (talk) 08:29, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi Surtsicna- I hadn't seen that guidance before, thanks. Though I see your point about consistency in the titles, I think the of <kingdom> makes it obvious. But, as you say, some readers might not. Eric ^talk 13:09, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

"Equestrian seal": unlikely!

@TiltuM: hi. The inscription reads "et Dux Aquitanorum", "and Duke of Aquitane". Hard to believe it's a seal. I'd say the reverse of a medal or coin with the royal title on the obverse. Please check. I've also pinged Acoma on Wiki media or commons or whatever (he's uploaded it), but I'm not too familiar with that project and he has no account on Wikipedia. Thanks, Arminden (talk) 12:17, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

The real source of the illustration, only partially credited on Commons, is this page, and a fuller caption is here. This book contains several illustrations of double-sided seals (a surprise to me, I must admit), though for some reason only one side of this particular seal is shown. Andrew Dalby 15:20, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

@Andrew Dalby: hi and thanks. I looked up the matter of two-sided seals and, as the source you indicated doesn't seem to explain what it might have been for, I looked further to find only one but good explanation here. Arminden (talk) 00:11, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

@Arminden: Thank you, a good find and a helpful explanation! Andrew Dalby 16:48, 30 October 2020 (UTC)