Talk:Lowrider

Removed content, tons of OR

This article seems seriously prone to WP:OR. Most edits are modifications of statements and details without providing a source, and since there wasn't any source to begin with people are likely reluctant to revert. Wikipedia has a strict policy of "No Original Research", an extension of "Verifiability". I've significantly reduced the size of the article by removing expansive blocks of entirely unsourced text written in an unencyclopedic tone. What remains is some basic information, some of which still needs better sourcing. If you add more content, please also add a reliable source (history books, newspaper articles, magazine articles ... not articles on lowriding websites, commercial websites, or personal knowledg). — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 20:48, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Problem with the "types" section

The types section seems to contradict the article as it does not include the original US domestic BoF hydraulic cars. It also omits trucks. Maybe someone more knowledgeable can chime in on this but it seems like it is lacking very important elements of the scene.96.240.128.124 (talk) 04:16, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

low-low

Is the same as a low rider? 91.154.169.156 (talk) 11:55, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

“Lowrider Culture” Section

“With these cars they would enlarge the engines for speed and just started to tweak the cars in their home garages. As they messed with the engines they also started to paint the cars with candy paint or sparkling exterior, some lowriders also contain graphic designs all along the car.”

The tone of this seems quite off for Wikipedia, and could do with some more specificity (though without the excessive technical detail of some other parts of the article). FChlo (talk) 00:16, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

@FChlo, I see what you mean. That para and the San Diego section could both use a rewrite. That content was just added a few months ago. If you want to check the sources and take a stab at it, feel free. Otherwise, I'll take a look at redoing it tomorrow. Schazjmd (talk) 00:30, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Factually Incorrect

the black community started the lowrider epidemic in southern San Diego (Brothers of San Diego) by removing or cutting the front and rear springs and then when hydraulics came into the automotive industry they applied those to their vehicles instead of cutting springs. The Mexican American community adapted the Lowrider culture after the no cruising law was rescinded in 1992 and lowriders began parking on Crenshaw. The Mexican American communities did not in anyway start the low rider culture but instead appropriated it because the black community slowed down in its involvement because low riders were identified as drug dealer or gang banger vehicles which caused higher rates in black males being pulled over and impound rates. 2600:6C51:647F:8DAB:C075:5663:E5DA:114D (talk) 15:54, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

I'll be removing the two references that you just added to the References section for two reasons: first, just dumping them in that section isn't constructive, they need to be cited inline for specific text. And second, neither one supports your claim. This one says the Latinos started it:

Though lowriders were first crafted in barrios across the Southwest and southern California as unique symbols of personalized creativity and Latino cultural identity, African American car enthusiasts began developing lowriders of their own.

This one says:

The Black lowriding culture and experience began seven decades ago in Southeast San Diego in the early 1950s.

Early 1950s. Reliable sources attribute the beginning of lowriding to the 1940s. Schazjmd (talk) 16:12, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

I think you need to take a deeper dive into appropriation of culture. Unfortunately I understand where you’re coming from but honestly this entire entry is absolutely factually incorrect. I have researched your resources but they are only reliable for the Mexican American community. If you dig deeper even the Smithsonian (largest museum in America filled with American culture and its beginnings) recognizes and did extensive research confirming that the black community started the lowrider culture. All lowrider music is black oldies. Black America knows the truth as well as the rest of America. I respect the article you wrote but it’s wrong fact wise. I’ve heard about Jesse Valdez but that is at this point old wives tales that happened to date just a few years before the original lowrider community which were started by to Black men in San Diego which migrated to south LA hence the parking on Crenshaw. If you also do extensive research you will see that California added the no parking law in 1992 not 1980-whatever as you stated because of the black community and the hip hop culture. I have reported to Wikipedia for fact correction as well as appropriation and I reached out to google for fact correction as well as appropriation so when you google lowrider now it shouldn’t start spewing incorrect facts. Do your actual paper research. Pull up old newspaper articles at the public library. Take a trip to the Smithsonian. Visit San Diego ask questions. Do the foot work like I did myself and maybe you’ll learn something and then you’ll understand that cultural appropriation is a very real thing and the Hispanic community has done their share of appropriation. I would have taken your replies a little more deeply if you were a person of actual research and not just googling. I’d post newspaper articles and clippings but unfortunately you can only add websites. Removing them won’t change the truth and Jesse Valdez is as much as an appropriator in this situation as you are. 2600:6C51:647F:8DAB:A573:C9A0:D67F:7DC4 (talk) 14:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

I'll interpret the "you" in your comment to mean "the editors who wrote the article" rather than me personally since I didn't write it.

Wikipedia summarizes what reliable published sources say on a subject. Absent any such sources to support that the lowrider culture was started by the Black community, the article must rely on the multitude of sources that state it was started by the Mexican American community. Schazjmd (talk) 14:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

See WP:NOR, WP:V and I recommend reading WP:TRUTH. Wikipedia is not the place to figure out who started lowrider culture; this is a place where we cite reputable sources. If things are as you say, it should be easy to find citations. If the cited sources disagree with each other, then there will have to be a discussion. See WP:RS as well. Best,  Mr.choppers | ✎  15:24, 25 June 2024 (UTC)