Talk:Loy Krathong

I took out the Bangkok festival link because it does not exist now.Rlevse 17:43, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Invented tradition

I'm currently looking for the reference, but Thai historians usually link Loy Krathong to "invented traditions," which is to say: this is not actually something stemming from the Sukhothai era, but was created during the Rattanakhosin period (the modern era).

Aajaan Udom, from Chiang Mai University, has an article similarly linking the Chiang Mai fire balloon to a different ceremony - the "khoom loy" is not, in fact, historically "Thai."

Does someone have these references? I'll look for them myself here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Huanohk (talk • contribs) 18:05, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

If you can read Thai, the 29 October 2009 issue of Matichon Daily has a piece regarding the issue in the Suvarnabhumi column on page 20. --Paul_012 ^(talk) 05:22, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

It's titled "ลอยกระทง-นางนพมาศ มีครั้งแรกในรัชกาลที่ 3 กรุงรัตนโกสินทร์ ไม่เคยมีครั้งกรุงสุโขทัย". --Paul_012 ^(talk) 18:27, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Paul. Thanks, that's perfect. Although I'd prefer an academic source over a newspaper, but that's great. Huanohk (talk) 17:27, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

While it appears that there is confusion over the 2013 Loi Krathong celebrations - it does not appear that they are officially canceled: Citynews - Tourism Authority of Thailand (TAT) has confirmed that major Loy Krathong events in Chiang Mai will NOT be cancelled or postponed. http://www.chiangmaicitynews.com/news.php?id=2566 Oct 28, 2013, Chiang Mai City News — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.71.136 (talk) 18:26, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

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Question of the Accuracy of "Etymology" and "History" section

Prevent the vandalism acts!! I believe the editions should be made independently and accurately for Wikipedia article and its readers.

1. Etymology Based on various sources, the word "krathong" is really originated from Khmer word "kantong". Notifying that the word "krathong/kanthong" refers to "container made of leaves" NOT "lamp or lantern (kom)." 2. History The history that claimed Loi Krathong of originating from Sukhothai period is confirmed to has derived from recent legend written in 18th-19th century (Rattanakosin/ Early Bangkok period). And new researches and studies from independent Thai researchers proved that the festival was originated from Khmer Empire as evidenced with bas reliefs carved at Angkorian temples built in 12th century. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrew 1115 (talk • contribs) 13:20, 22 October 2020 (UTC)

The correct etymology

กระทง (krathong) is a loan word from the Khmer word កន្ទោង /kɑntouŋ/kantong Small container made of banana leaves (used esp. for steaming cakes or as a container for religious offerings such as food, tobacco, or betel). 2601:601:1B80:8040:4F77:9D09:6CAD:B0D6 (talk) 10:01, 19 November 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:601:1B80:8040:359D:F3B5:A9ED:78A1 (talk)

Loy Kantong is originally a Khmer Hindu Brahmin ritual. There are bas relief of Loy kanthong ritual being performed on Angkor Thom - Bayon temple walls.

http://www.sealang.net/khmer/search.pl?dict=khmer&hasFocus=orth&approx=&orth=%E1%9E%9B%E1%9E%99+&phone=&def=&anon=on&matchEntry=any&matchLength=word&matchPosition=any&source=&ety=&pos=&usage=&subject=&useTags=1

About the SEAlang Library Khmer Dictionary Resources These resources are primarily based on the two very different editions of the Cambodian-English Dictionary: Cambodian-English Dictionary by Robert K. Headley, Kylin Chhor, Lam Kheng Lim, Lim Hak Kheang, and Chen Chun (1977, Catholic University Press), and Cambodian-English Dictionary by Robert K. Headley, Rath Chim, and Ok Soeum (1997, Dunwoody Press, ISBN 0-931745-78-0)

លយ lɔɔy v to float along, drift; to go with the current; to swim; to set adrift, launch, float something.

កន្ទោង kɑntouŋ n small container made of banana leaves (used esp. for steaming cakes or as a container for religious offerings such as food, tobacco, or betel).

លយកន្ទោង lɔɔy kɑntooŋ to make an offering to the spirits by floating small bowls made of leaves and filled with food, etc. out into the river. 2601:601:1B80:8040:A301:CFA6:A5DA:8EB5 (talk) 15:49, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

លយ lɔɔy 1 v to float along, drift; to go with the current; to swim; to set adrift, launch, float something 2a v to bulge, protrude. 2b adj to be projecting, protruding 3 adj to be crooked, curved, bent 4 adj to be a show-off, flaunt one's fine clothes and expensive possessions; to be standoffish   5 relevant subentries: hide all 4 leading 1 trailing

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  លយកន្ទោង lɔɔy kɑntooŋ 1 to float small boats made of leaves as a religious rite. កន្ទោង

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  លយប្រទីប lɔɔy prɑtiip 1 to float boats decorated with lights (especially during the Water and Light Festival).

correct etymology : Khmer-Javanese orgin

LoyKantong Hindu Brahmin ritual originated during Water Chenla era of Khmer civilization. It was first practice along the banks of the Mekong river delta during the time period when Shailendra dynasty of Java ruled Water Chenla. Khmer and Javanese Hindu Brahmin priests trace their religious linage back to Utkala Brahmins of Odisha. The Boita Bandana or Dangā Bhasā festival rituals may have been one of the influences for creating LoyKantong.

LoyKantong are religious offerings for Hindu goddess Ganga to show gratitude and appreciation for the life giving waters of the Mekong river. Khmers still practice LoyKantong ritual even though they no longer believe in Hinduism. The ritual offerings are still practice during Bon Om Touk festival every year after the end of monsoon rain season.

Khmer Princess Neang Sikhara Mahadevi is believed to have brought the Loy Kantong ritual to Sukhothai when she married Pho Khun Pha Mueang, ruler of Sukhothai Kingdom.

The Khmer-Javanese compound word LoyKantong លយកន្ទោង /lɔɔy kɑntooŋ/ to make an offering to the spirits by floating small bowls made of leaves and filled with food, etc. out into the river.

The Khmer word Loy លយ /lɔɔy/ V. to float along, drift; to go with the current; to swim; to set adrift, launch, float something.

The Javanese/Malay loan word Kantong កន្ទោង /kɑntouŋ/ N. small container made of banana leaves (used esp. for steaming cakes or as a container for religious offerings such as food, tobacco, or betel). 174.164.30.163 (talk) 03:17, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

SEAlang is a collaborative effort between CRCL and the University of Wisconsin-Madison Center for Southeast Asian Studies (CSEAS)

https://sealang.net/khmer/search.pl?dict=khmer&hasFocus=orth&approx=&orth=+%E1%9E%9B%E1%9E%99%E1%9E%80%E1%9E%93%E1%9F%92%E1%9E%91%E1%9F%84%E1%9E%84&phone=&def=&anon=on&matchEntry=any&matchLength=word&matchPosition=any&source=&ety=&pos=&usage=&subject=&useTags=1 174.164.30.163 (talk) 03:59, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Many languages in the region have cognate words with shared etymology, it's not possible to claim origination from dictionary entries. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:19, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

These words are Khmer of Austroasiatic-Austronesian orgins. Thailand speak Kra-Dai language originates from Guangxi,China. It is possible to claim origin from dictionary entries. The carving on the wall of Angkor Thom Bayon bas relief also supports Loy Kanthong originated in Chenla/Khmer empire. 174.164.30.163 (talk) 23:09, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Loy Kanthong ritual is still being practice during The Khmer Bon Om Touk water festival. 174.164.30.163 (talk) 23:14, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

That doesn't prove anything. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:06, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Why does that not prove origin?

Why would Thai people that speak a Kra-Dai language use Khmer-Javanese word to name their ritual?

The word is of Khmer-Javanese origin, Angkor Thom bas relief carvings show Loy kanthong ritual, and Loy Kanthong ritual is still being perfomed every year in Cambodia.

Ayutthaya and Sukhothai are not located on Mekong river. Loy Kanthong ritual honors Hindu goddess Ganga, its suppose to be practice on the banks of Mekong river which also flows into Tonle Sap. The Mekong river is named after Hindu goddess Ganga.

Loy Kanthong ritual is part of Khmer culture since Chenla era! 174.164.30.163 (talk) 07:40, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

If you're going to make claims to that effect you need to provide sources that directly say so, not dictionary entries about terms that do nothing to back them up. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:13, 7 November 2024 (UTC)