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Conflict of Interest

A conflict of interest tag was added to the article probably because the article was started by User:Amerikids, who was later blocked because the username was promotional. The tag was removed by User:September1947, which has only two edits, both to this article and is thus a WP:SPA. Recently User:GreenKids edited this article and that account seems to have a COI and is basically a SPA. To remove this tag, a non-COI editor should review the edits by all three of these users. Cxbrx (talk) 14:22, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

User:GreenKids removed the COI tag from the article, which I have reverted. — Manticore 01:59, 6 September 2021 (UTC)

Proposed Edits

Hello,

Below is the listed edits and corrected citations to be placed on Lynn Rogoff. Thank you, Please review and update. GreenKids (talk) 02:12, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Lynn Rogoff is an American film, game and television producer, stage playwright, theatre director and professor. Her works dramatize underappreciated, diverse contributors to American culture and history.

Born in New York City, she is a graduate of New York University Tisch School of the Arts with an MFA in Directing.

Rogoff won a Writers Guild of America Nomination for Outstanding Writing for No Maps on My Taps. Rogoff is credited with writing the 1979 documentary film No Maps on My Taps, which was produced on grants from the AFI, PBS, the CPB, the Ford Foundation and the NEA. The film focuses on three black tap dancers who had fallen on hard times but had started dancing again. No Maps on My Taps won an Emmy Award for Outstanding Musical Direction in News and Documentary. Due to the films broader time-capsule appeal, No Maps On My Taps was remastered and released in 2017

Rogoff was a Writers Guild of America, East Foundation Fellow, dramatizing two early twentieth-century American icons. She penned the play Love, Ben Love, Emma which is based on correspondence between Emma Goldman and Dr. Ben Reitman. The play was originally produced by Lucille Lortel at the White Barn Theatre in Westport, Connecticut in 1983, starring Kevin O'Connor, Penelope Allen, and Martha Greenhouse. Judd Hirsch and Tovah Feldshuh starred in 1985 at The Actors Studio in New York City. In 1993, Love, Ben Love, Emma was staged in Los Angeles at the Tiffany Theatre starring J. T. Walsh and Lisa Richards. In 2020, Love, Ben Love, Emma had its Chicago premiere, produced by the Wayward Sister's Theatre Company.

Rogoff's film work for children television includes Sesame Street. She wrote Freedom Fighters: Freedom and Justice for African Americans.

Rogoff produced the live action CD Rom game, Pony Express Rider for publisher McGraw-Hill Home Interactive for Christmas 1996. Pony Express Rider evidenced the Pony Express’ vital link between the eastern states and California on the eve of civil war. Pony Express Rider was awarded a Crystal Award, a Bessie Award, National Parenting Center Seal of Approval and a Family Channel Seal of Quality.

Rogoff was born in New York City. She is the daughter of Veterinarian, Dr. George Rogoff, past President of the Bronx Veterinary Society and founder of the Veterinary Medical Association of New York City Journal.

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I'll take a look, though it might take me a few days. Cxbrx (talk) 01:31, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

I've made updates, below are comments

• The source for the WGA nomination is suspect. Inmagic apparently is a knowledge management company. I used a better link that is via the wgfoundation.org. It looks to me that the subject was nominated, but did not win. I saw no mention of outstanding.
• About Pony Express, IMDB is not a good reference, see WP:CITEIMDB, so I'm not going to use it. The archive.org disc images are interesting, but don't credit the subject. The Webflight link also does not credit the subject. I question the notability of the game. All but one of the awards need citations. I'm going to skip adding information about Pony Express for now.
• About Endanger, a blog is not a reliable source. I question the notability of this game.
• The keynote speech is also not notable.
• Educating our children for the future is a video it is not a good reference, see WP:VIDEOREF.
• The Bird Woman reference goes to the company website, this is not a WP:RS source. It seems like advertising to have it here, though I added it. I don't see Bird Woman or the other games as notable, this paragraph should probably be removed later.
• The IMDB reference for Sera-Lys McArthur is not a good reference, see WP:CITEIMDB.
• The tumblr blog reference is not a good reference.

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I added additional citations for Rogoff and No Maps On My Taps. Removed IMDB citations. Removed Professor Rogoff citations. Removed Endanger citations. Removed Amerikids Company references. Added context for Rogoff's creative contributions. Corrected the word Outstanding although the award is called "Outstanding Writing." Removed all video references. Materially shortened the article to works that are often cited. I cited reviewers language in article for context. GreenKids (talk) 22:00, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

• Comment. I have added sources to verify some content, and weeded out content which can not be verified. I removed the COI tag, as I feel the article is now neutrally presented and accurate with plenty of reliable sources with inline citations. Best.4meter4 (talk) 20:46, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi 4meter4, many thanks for your edits. I agree that removing the COI tag from the Lynn Rogoff article is warranted. I can take a look at the proposed edits and see if there is anything that should go in, but it might be a few days. I do still feel that GreenKids has WP:COI here as stated on their talk page. Cxbrx (talk) 21:54, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

You are welcome, and I concur. As long as we make sure all new content is verified to a reliable source and its written in an encyclopedic tone I think things will be in good shape.4meter4 (talk) 21:57, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

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Hi 4meter4, Several months ago, you kindly edited the Lynn Rogoff wikipedia several months ago. Since that time, we identified citations underscoring her work in Interactive Games and Pony Express Rider. We would like your help in approving the new materials in the Career section for Lynn Rogoff listed below. Can you kindly review this material for proper wikipedia content and formatting, advising any suggestions you find appropriate?

Thank You GreenKids (talk) 03:20, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

At the 1996 Electric Entertainment Expo, E3 Rogoff had her multimedia game title Pony Express Rider showcased. At the 1996 Show Biz Expo Rogoff spoke on Writing for Interactive Media in behalf of the Writer’s Guild of America. Rogoff was the creator and head writer of the Pony Express Rider Game for publisher McGraw-Hill Home Interactive for Christmas 1996. Pony Express Rider a live action CD-ROM PC game, evidenced the Pony Express' vital link between the eastern states and California on the eve of civil war. Pony Express Rider was awarded a Crystal Award, a Bessie Award, National Parenting Center Seal of Approval and a Family Channel Seal of Quality.

• Comment @GreenKids. Thank you for pinging me. Unfortunately most of the references provided are not suitable for use per Wikipedia policy at WP:Verifiability. Many of the sources are advertisements or promotional materials designed to sell the Pony Express product and are affiliated with Rogoff or the publisher or vendors selling the product. For example, the Amerikids website was created by Rogoff herself. As such, they lack sufficient independence and cannot be used as sources.

Other sources used, such as IMDB and GameFaqs, are websites which anyone can edit/add content to. They therefore lack sufficient editorial oversight to be considered reliable sources. The only content that is usable is the content verified to the articles by Carl Diorio in The Hollywood Reporter; which are independent secondary references.

Additionally, the proposed language is overly promotional in tone, too detailed, and lacks encyclopedic distance. It’s questionable that this is a significant enough achievement to even get mentioned in the article; as the sourcing is very thin. I don’t think that anything more than one or two sentences on Pony Express is warranted per policy at WP:PROPORTION. Wikipedia is not a CV, or a platform to market products. The industry awards named are minor achievements which are not significant enough for encyclopedic coverage in and of themselves. This is the kind of thing that belongs on Ms Rogoff’s personal website; not in her encyclopedia entry.

I think a brief one sentence mention of the product would be fine using the Diorio sources; but I should point out that Rogoff is only one of many participants and products covered in those references. It’s not significant coverage. 4meter4 (talk) 07:54, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

Dear 4meter4, per your wise counsel, the following sentences and Diorio citations are for the Lynn Rogoff Wikipedia site. Should we add it under the Career section or would you be able to add it? GreenKids (talk) 04:55, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

In 1996, at the Electric Entertainment Expo, E3 Rogoff’s multimedia game title Pony Express Rider was showcased. At the 1996 Show Biz Expo, Rogoff, on behalf of the Writer’s Guild of America, advocated for Writing for Interactive Media.

• @GreenKids I have added the content from these two sentences to the page, but have altered the text slightly for clarity and flow within the article. Best.4meter4 (talk) 20:10, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

@4meter4 Thank you for all your kind consideration, attention, and help in this Wikipedia entry. It is truly appreciated. GreenKids (talk) 01:52, 1 May 2022 (UTC)