Talk:Lyudmila Pavlichenko

Sniper Rifle in Borderlands Video Game

Probably worth adding. https://borderlands.fandom.com/wiki/Lyudmila — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.150.38.83 (talk) 22:40, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

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Credited kills edits

@Gorgon Slayer, kindly provide credible sources to support the insertion of text calling Pavlichenko’s record into question. A blog is not a credible source. Please provide a credible news article or scholarly text. 2600:1700:990D:4800:69F8:241D:ED6D:4E4B (talk) 05:39, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

@Wracking, please find a credible source before adding information calling her record into question. The source you provided is a litany magazine with no editorial or peer review - it is the equivalent of a blog. 2600:1700:990D:4800:69F8:241D:ED6D:4E4B (talk) 12:55, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

What a Logic! Kindly "debunk" the information inside if you can before discrediting a source of being a mere blog. Gorgon Slayer (talk) 14:10, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

What? 2600:1700:990D:4800:69F8:241D:ED6D:4E4B (talk) 17:49, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Continuing to revert changes that others have made without discussing is edit warring.

The single source you cite to support calling her record into question is merely a blog post full of personal opinions, not any actual facts. The post was already edited over a year ago to noted the her record is what she’s credited with, rather than presenting it an irrefutable fact.

If you would like information added questioning her record, please provide a source that is not opinion, but points to actual facts, historical accounts, etc. 2600:1700:990D:4800:69F8:241D:ED6D:4E4B (talk) 18:01, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

That's "personal opinion" because that's not what you are liking. And if you really read the article, you wouldn't have said that's just opinion. Because he pointed out to facts and the self-contradictory claim made by them. The only thing that is supporting her claim is none other than soviet government. Not to mention imaginary enemies like otto von singer. Now I don't give a damn about your opinion or what you feel about. I don't even give a damn about this "encyclopedia" as well. Gorgon Slayer (talk) 22:50, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Hi, IP editor. First, I'd like to clarify that I did not add anything, I merely reverted your changes. Secondly, I would like to apologize. It seems that the doubts cast on Pavlichenko's kill count are a fringe opinion.

@Gorgon Slayer: if you cannot find any evidence of anyone besides Oleg Kaminsky making this change, please stop, as your edits place undue emphasis on a belief held by a single person. Thanks. Wracking ^💬 18:04, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

@Wracking:Where's your evidence to support that the widely held doubts on her kill count is a "fringe opinion"? There's nothing on the list saying such. Anyways, what is deemed as "fringe opinions" on Wikipedia is often highly arbitrary, subjective, unsupported or outright false. Many are just labelled that way because they go against a systemic ideological bias of a cadre of administrators. Lastly, an article from Business Insider - which has no verifiable sources itself - is NOT a reliable source. 65.95.157.102 (talk) 02:59, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Wrackingwraking - my change that you undid was just undoing @Gorgon Slayer‘s addition. This is getting messy. 2600:1700:990D:4800:69F8:241D:ED6D:4E4B (talk) 18:10, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

As long as Gorgon Slayer leaves it be, this should be resolved. Wracking ^💬 18:13, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Is that a mere belief or he is exposing lies made by them? Why didn't you tell me earlier that it is governmentopedia or westernepedia rather than wikipedia. Because lies made by the soviet government are still being supported by western media as they were their allies. The "sources" that were cited as reference in this page has been debunked by the author. But why would you bother to read? Not only this, but rather than providing refutations against the source, you are discrediting it as it's "blog". Anyway, who gives a damn about this heavily biased and unreliable "encyclopedia" name wikipedia? Gorgon Slayer (talk) 22:40, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

If you are not here to build an encyclopedia, you can leave. Wracking ^💬 23:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

I am not staying here even if you pay me a billion dollars to stay here. Everyone knows how "reliable" wikipedia is. Business Insider, a "source" with copy-pasted information is reliable but a page that's debunking myths associated with her and soviet government by simply analyzing their contradictory claims is not. But whatever, only an extremely dumb person will rely on wikipedia right now. Gorgon Slayer (talk) 01:46, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Needs a fix

The article says that she debuted as a sniper in August 1941, however she also had 200 kills in the same month? 173.56.63.216 (talk) 01:41, 27 November 2024 (UTC)