Talk:M&M's/Archive 1

Archive 1

hazelnut m&m's in the purple package

I have the wrappers, but I can't find anything to link to about hazelnut M&Ms. They've been selling them for awhile (over a year at least) in Ukraine, I've read on blogs that others have found them in Russia. It is definately an M&M brand product. What's the best way to go about adding it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.189.37.229 (talk) 07:04, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I found a russian commercial introducing the hazelnut brand. Is that okay for a source? http://wn.com/M&M's__Hazelnut_Russian --109.189.37.229 (talk) 07:14, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

M&M's Election

In Australia at the moment there is a promotion for M&Ms urging the buyer to sms in or enter their "vote" via the internet. Should this promotion be listed in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.101.63.53 (talk) 07:41, 11 March 2008 (UTC) you can view the website at http://election.m-ms.com.au/

Study of hello M&M's

The paragraph about the "upcoming" study seems suspicious to me... not only is it written (particularly its conclusion) in an unprofessional way, but it does not cite its reference and it is perhaps not appropriate to cite the article, if it exists, until it has actually been made available to the public. I can't support or reject the claim itself about green M&M's, but it seems this needs at best some rewording. Anna —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.64.25.3 (talk) 16:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Copyvio?

The third paragraph appears verbatim in the about.com article linked at the bottom.

I'm a little distrustful of about.com. Perhaps the text there has been copied from here??

85.22.31.165 14:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

The Name

Does anyone know what the M's in M&M stand for?

Since they were developed by Forrest Mars and his son, I assume they stand for Mars and Mars. But I can't find this on the official site. Acegikmo1 6 July 2005 00:51 (UTC)

It says right in the article for "Mars & Murrie", Mars' business partner. I found this information in a book on the history of various pop-cultural American food products. I will have to find the book again, if you want a reference. --[[User:JonMoore|—JonMoore 20:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)]] 6 July 2005 14:00 (UTC)

This article says blue M&Ms were introduced in 1994 in one paragraph and 1995 in another. - Ace of Sevens

The official site says 1995. I've fixed the article. Thanks for pointing this out. Acegikmo1 22:42, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Blue M&M's

For some reason the blue vote isn't mentioned in the history section, only in the top introduction. I don't have a cite for it so I'm not editing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.176.136.25 (talk) 22:34, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Purple M&M's

Anyone have any info on why purple was voted as the most popular new color, but never became one of the colors found in a standard bag? I remember the big deal they made about the voting, bigger than the one in 1995, and then... zilch. Sure, you can find purple ones in special bags, like Sith Lord M&M's, or at Easter time, but they weren't fully integrated like the blue ones were. Anyone know why? Not complaining, just curious (I thought all the choices were pretty terrible - I'd rather have the tan ones back).Kafziel

Hey. I know this might sound stupid, but it's as good an idea as any other, so here goes.

Maybe they were afraid people would make too big a deal of it. Purple would be coming in at a time when there is a color character for all the primary colors and primary color combinations (except, of course, Purple). On top of the contest and "selection", they might be expected to come out with a brand new character and a sixth flavor for the purple M&M to represent. Ace Class Shadow 21:57, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Because purple me Lesbian duh! That would be offensive to some peole! Gosh Have sense! LOL!! Suck! :0 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.69.27.41 (talk) 19:42, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Red's Comeback

I updated the article to reflect red's comeback properly in the year 1987.

Source: http://us.mms.com/us/about/history/story/#red

Thank you, I remember when they came back I was in the 2nd grade lol

and speaking of poor red, this seems a bit confused: "They currently contain Allura Red AC (FD&C Red #40, E129). In Europe, Allura Red AC (E129) is not recommended for consumption by children. It is banned in Denmark, Belgium, France, Germany, Switzerland, Sweden, Austria, and Norway.[8] Instead, Cochineal (E120) is used in the red shells." Ken (talk) 19:55, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Cult?

Me and my five friends worship brown M&Ms, does that qualify for us to be listed as a cult on Wiki?

I would think so, mate. Gorovich

only if there is mention from a reputable third-party source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.209.229.228 (talk) 00:44, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Blue Marketing

Anyone else remember Blue being marketed as the "new M&M" when in fact it was the silent replacment for tan?

I don't recall tan being a standard color. Are you sure about that?

Tan was definatley a standard color in the Plain M&Ms, but not in the Peanut M&Ms.--109.189.37.229 (talk) 07:19, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Popularity

The second paragraph says that the tan ones weren't as popular as the violet ones. So why did the violet ones last only 9 years while the tan ones lasted 46 years? Doesn't make much sense. I'd say it's POV, but that would imply that it's in someone's interest to discredit the color tan, which is a little absurd. Still, I think the statement should be removed, since it seems to have no basis in reality. Anyone have some kind of reliable source for it? Kafziel 19:10, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Name Change from Plain to Milk Chocolate

This happened a few years ago. If someone knows more specifics, perhaps it should be placed in the main article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.75.180.31 (talk • contribs)

It's mentioned in the trivia section. There's really nothing to tell. "Milk Chocolate" probably sounds more...I don't know...fancy? ACS (Wikipedian) 19:20, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

I say it was to allow for different kinds of chocolate in the future, which eventually did happen. There were dark chocolate "plain" candies in the Star Wars promotion, and there are plain white chocolate candies as of May 2006. Both are limited editions, though.

Mint and caramel M&M's

I remember back in the late 1970's there were mint chocolate M&M's. They were sold for about a year and then phased out. And I've read that a few years back, M&M's with a caramel center were test marketed in some area, although apparently not too successfully as I've never seen them. Anyone have information on these, or any other, variant flavors? MK2 04:54, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I remember eating the Dulce de Leche (caramel) M&Ms in California in 2002, but I also remember them being ridiculously high in fat.--Ahecht (talk) 20:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

The mint candies you are thinking of are probably what were known as "M&M Royals". They came only in dark green and dark brown colors, and had a crown instead of an "m" on the shell. These were gone in the late 1980s. While mint M&M's were availablein the US in the early 1990s in a green bag, today they are only sold for the X-mas holidays.

The 1990s mint M&Ms, which came in standard colors, don't seem to be mentioned anywhere in the article. Jibberuski 10:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

The inside story is that "plain" doesn't sound very interesting, and they wanted to move away from the name. Don't know where to source it as "official" though. Usually marketing stuff like this isn't officially anounced, defeats the purpose. -Ls

Crispy

What happened to the Crispy M&M's? Why are they no longer sold to citizens of the US? (Bulbafreak9000 20:25, 2 August 2006 (UTC))

There are probably too many people like me who don't particularly care for them ;-) Jaksmata 15:59, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I liked them... ;_; (Bulbafreak9000 20:25, 2 August 2006 (UTC))

Try the pharmacy chains, that's where I get mine! Brasseye 00:25, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

As much as I myself like crispy and wish I could find it, I take this time to remind y'all that Wikipedia is not a forum. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 07:57, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Crispy M&M's are still around in NYCPeAchBaCon 08:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC) And Germany! 85.22.31.165 14:48, 28 June 2007 (UTC) And also in Holland so i guess in Europe? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.29.150.15 (talk) 15:06, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Crispy M&M's are still sold alongside regular and peanut in Australia (Blue packet). As far as I can remember we have always had them. --Danielphin (talk) 13:52, 19 August 2008 (UTC) I recently had an MRE from the US Army and there was a package of Crispy M&Ms in it. Modor (talk) 22:15, 20 October 2008 (UTC)Modor

wow i think crispy m&m's sounds good i actually rememeber tasting some sound they were good i hope they bring them & i think mars should try making cheesecake m&m's i think that would be good idea —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.159.188.50 (talk) 03:13, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Crispy, Coconut, Razzbery, Wildly Cherry, Orange, and a few others were "limited editions", which means they're all gone now and you're not getting any more. Clearly, Mars has a provocative yet mysterious marketing strategy. David Spector (talk) 18:24, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

M&M's Colors

At the end of the second intro paragraph, it says "In 1995, tan was replaced by blue." However, this is right after the short discussion on the removal and reintroduction of red M&M's, and there is no prior mention in the paragraph of having tan M&M's introduced. Basically, it says that we started with red, orange, yellow, green, brown, and violet. Then violet is replaced by chartreuse. There's the whole mess with the red M&M's, and suddenly blue M&M's are replacing tan M&M's that were never said to exist. Also, we obviously don't have chartreuse anymore, and its removal isn't mentioned. Perhaps someone who knows the specifics on when these colors were swapped about should add that in. Goriya 08:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

In the intro to this article it says "The candies were originally made in six colors: red, orange, yellow, green, brown, and violet." Later, in the Trivia section, it says "The original M&M's colors are red, orange, yellow, forest green, kelly green, tan and brown." Which is correct? Given that the intro lists violet as being replaced by tan in 1949, I am inclined to believe that it is correct, but I'm not sure enough to make the change.

The intro claims that orange was one of the original colors, but the M&M's website says it was introduced in 1976. (The article claims that orange replaced red, but I could swear that I'd eaten packages with both colors in the 1970s.) The M&M's website also seems to suggest that the original candies were white, when it mentions that the "m" was added in 1950, printed in black; it also seems to suggest that the colors red, yellow, and green were new in 1960 (at least for the peanut variety). (The source of this information is a Flash presentation with few details, but I'd guess that the official website wouldn't include blatant inaccuracies.) B7T (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 01:01, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Both the section "1930s to 1940s" and the color chart show yellow and green throughout the production history. Yet the section "1950s to 1960s" says that yellow and green, as well as red, were introduced in 1960. Which is correct? Cnilep (talk) 07:43, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

i think you forgot something

I thought that the "m" on the candies are paint. You left that out unless you didn't want to put it there to scare everyone. Call of duty 23:35, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

It's an edible ink. Ken (talk) 19:53, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Images

Yo. Ace here. I hate to be a downer, but guys, this isn't an image dumping ground. We have one clear image of Milk chocolate M.&M.'s. Why don't need two, much less two with the exact same caption. Now, I'm personally for reverting the addition of the new image—which I consider to be on lower quality—but I'm willing to read all sides on this. However, without a comment by tuesday I'll just revert it myself. ACS (Wikipedian); Talk to the Ace. See what I've edited. 20:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey there Ace, I didsgree with your deleting. I do not understand your argument that "this isn't an image dumping ground". More images are better than less. Images are part of knowledge and a picture says a thousand words. Maybe you'd like to make every article in wikipedia one paragraph each since "this isn't a word dumping ground". If the images pass the wikipedia policy and are not redundant of eachother then let them be. Don't be a philistine. --Jon in California 208.127.73.82 06:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Why promote four students from MIT?

I was reading the article about M&M candy-coated chocolates, and I was sore-tempted to remove the following paragraph:

M&M/Mars Company, which wanted to improve the process of coating the candies, let four MIT students give it a try as a research project. The four students involved with the project were Joseph J. Berghammer of Elm Grove, Wisconsin, Neelan Choksi of Corpus Christi, Texas, Jeffrey Falkowsky of Brooklyn, New York, and Ashley K. Shih of Wichita Falls, Texas.

What is the relevancy of this paragraph? It's charming, of course, to know that big companies ask young college students to help improve production; but numerous companies ask for assistance from numerous students attending numerous schools almost every day of every year. What makes these four students so special?

The paragraph provides no information about how Berghammer, Choksi, Falkowsky and Shih improved the production of M&M's. How did they improve the process of coating the candies? For all we know, these four students did not accomplish a blessed thing. But if the opposite is true, then is their group accomplishment so worthy of merit that it should be mentioned in the Wikipedia article, while the contributions of other long-time company employees are completely ignored?

It seems as if someone(s) is name-dropping here.

"Hey! Look at me! I'm important! I'm mentioned in Wikipedia!"

It seems in addition to worrying about vandalism to articles at Wikipedia, that readers must now contend with irrelevant information provided by egomaniacs and desperate job-seekers wanting to glorify themselves.

Vstar3000 06:08, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Category dispute

Hello. Ace here. There seems to be a minor dispute as to whether or not this article should be included in the categories Chocolate industry and Confectionery. I believe they due, despite the fact that that "Category:Mars brands" is already in both categories. Further, Wikipedia states that this is okay. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 00:31, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Is it an urban legend?

Is there any proof of the david lee roth story? "The hard rock band Van Halen's now infamous contract rider called for, among other things, a bowl of M&M's backstage, but with provision that all the brown candies must be removed. In one rumored incident, someone had not removed the brown M&M's, and David Lee Roth trashed the dressing room. The M&M's provision was included in Van Halen's contracts not because the band disliked the candy, but because it served a practical purpose: if brown M&Ms were found backstage, then it was probable that other much more important technical aspects of the rider had also not been fulfilled properly."

Because this story is told in a number of version, some include blue m&m's but not david lee roth So is there a link to another source for this story?

Ddt3 13:41, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/vanhalen.htm

Explains the Van Halen story. 198.181.156.132 00:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

in Wayne's World II the roadie tells the brown M&M story, but with Ozzy instead of Roth demanding "1000 brown M&Ms" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.91.173.58 (talk) 06:40, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Rare varieties

The article says

Several variations exist, but are harder to find: mint chocolate, dulce de leche, toffee, crispy, almond, peanut butter, white chocolate (with and without peanuts), and dark chocolate.

. Are almond and peanut butter M&Ms that hard to find? I see these all the time, although it may be a regional thing. (I'm munching on some almond M&Ms right now) I agree with the rest of them. Prometheus^-X303- 08:29, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Weren't M&M's all brown originally?

There is a contradiction in the article. At one point early on we are told that they started out in assorted colors, though the colors have changed over the years. Under Trivia it says that they were originally all brown. Maybe I'm just confusing my childhood memories, but it seems to me that at least through the 1960s the Plain all had brown, milk-chocolate-colored coating.

I have tried to verify this by looking for old ads and TV commercials, but they have disappeared from the archives in recent years. One of the first M&M's commercials, from '55 or '56, was a mix of live-action (little girl with chocolate-smeared face) and animation. I believe the Peanut M&M spoke in a southern drawl--"Ah'm an M&M's Peanut, fresh roasted to a golden tayan, thayan drayanched in creameh milk choc'lit..."--while diving into a swimming pool of milk chocolate. (From the accent it was unclear whether the Peanut was supposed to be a southern belle or a colored person, neither one of whom would be likely to seek a golden tan. Could this ambiguity be the reason for the blackout on this vintage TV spot? We can only wonder.)

Although the commercial is in black-and-white the visuals should clearly show whether M&M's were single-hued.Sallieparker 19:30, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Trivia Purge

I have removed the following content from the trivia section because it is unsourced. Please cite sources if adding any of it back, and also consider whether it is a useful addition to the article.

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• The Orange M&M character seen in the U.S. was first introduced through a commercial featuring him as a Boy Scout to promote the new Peanut Butter M&Ms. He was then later changed to be the official Crispy M&M and female Green M&M was put as the official Peanut Butter M&M.
• Mars changed the name of the "Plain" brand M&M's to "Milk Chocolate" M&M's in 2000, but there was no change in the candies themselves.
• The distinctive white "m" which appears on each candy was introduced in 1950 and was originally black.
• In the United States, several different seasonal and promotional M&M colors are available:
  • Black and orange are sold for Halloween
  • Red and green candies are sold the month before Christmas
  • Yellow, orange, and tan used to be sold a month or two before Thanksgiving as "autumn colors." These have been replaced by the Halloween colors, followed immediately by the Christmas colors.
  • Candies in shades of pink are sold for Valentine's day (there are also special packages of green-only M&M's)
  • Pastel colored candies (light pink, green, and blue) are sold for Easter
  • Red, white, and blue candies are sometimes sold for American Independence Day or certain promotions
  • Pink and white M&M's have been released in limited supply in connection with the Susan G. Komen Breast Cancer Foundation.
  • The 2004 animated movie Shrek 2 inspired M&M's that were green with brown speckles.
  • White chocolate M&M's were released in white, yellow, pastel skin, and blue candies in late spring 2006 as a Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest movie tie-in.
• In the early 1980s, mint M&M's were sold under the Royals name, with light green and black colors and a white crown replacing the "m" on the candies.
• In the mid 1980's, Christmas M&M's were sold under the HOLIDAYS name, with Christmas symbols replacing the "m" on the candies.
• M&M's with a packaging bearing the United States Presidential Seal are sometimes given to visitors of the White House. It is illegal in the United States to sell these or any other item bearing the seal.
• M&M's played a part in the 1997 Rowan Atkinson comedy movie Bean: The Ultimate Disaster Movie. In return, a Mr Bean promotion was run with the product, including a commercial and a competition to win a Mr Bean mini replica.
• Despite the common usage, official Mars Incorporated literature never refers to a single piece of candy as an "M&M." Not only is it grammatically incorrect (as the name refers to the possessive of the candy's creators instead of the plural), but the company doesn't want its product referred to generically, possibly creating a genericized trademark. Within the advertising industry, an individual M&M's candy is referred to using the manufacturer's term for its shape, "a lentil".

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Also, the following don't seem relevant/necessary for inclusion in the article:

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• On Allan Sherman's album My Son, the Nut, at the end of the song I See Bones (a parody of "C'est si bon"), Sherman speaks about one item found in the X-ray..."You see those little round things? ...You know what those are? ... Those are M&M's! [audience laughs] Those people are right--they don't melt!"
• The American punk rock band blink-182 released a song entitled "M&M's" on the album Cheshire Cat.
• In Peggy Sue Got Married (1986), Peggy Sue, in 1960, warns her sister about eating red M&Ms. Red M&Ms were reintroduced in 1987.

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There are other sections of the article that also need sources. I was just particularly bothered by the trivia section. -SCEhardT 23:23, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I know I'm not a citable source for the Halloween varieties, but I definitely bought some when visiting the US in October 2001 - black and orange M&Ms, possibly with pumpkins printed on them. I may still have an empty packet that I kept.

As for the Presidential Seal variety, there's a pack currently for sale on ebay, but this is the most official reference I found to them. sjwk 12:48, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

There are aspects of WP whose motivation I'll never understand. Anonymity, so people can avoid standing behind their edits is one, and deleting lists of facts "because I was particularly bothered by it" is another. Note that there are many, many articles that have lists of facts that are not deleted because the section heading was wisely chosen to be something OTHER than "Trivia". David Spector (talk) 18:33, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

The Very First Line

Hey guys, the very first line of the History section... forgive me if im wrong, but that Korean Kid line seems somewhat unlikely... Its een there for 4 days now and a few edits have corrected it... --Ferdia O'Brien 17:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

It is unreferenced and doesn't sound believable so I removed it. Any other questionable content should also be deleted or moved to this talk page. -SCEhardT 18:14, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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Your own M&M's hey you know that there is a website were you can design your own M&M's. --Abubblegum824 14:12, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Dulce De Leche M&M's?

I didnt see any mention of these, aka Caramel m&m's. These were targeted towards a hispanic buyer but they werent successful at all and if I remember correctly, they were taken off of the market in 2004. PeAchBaCon 20:05, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

• They're mentioned. "Several other variations exist, including mint chocolate (available primarily during the Christmas season), dulce de leche, toffee, crispy, almond, peanut butter, white chocolate (with and without peanuts), and dark chocolate." Cheers, Afluent Rider 06:34, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh ok thanksPeAchBaCon 08:11, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I have an image of the package of Dulce de Leche M&M's, can anyone tell me how to make it appear on the page? Thanks PeAchBaCon 04:01, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

• Well, you have to upload it first. Ideally, it should be an image that can be used freely, although this isn't always possible. Cheers, Afluent Rider 04:03, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks I added an image of them PeAchBaCon 04:38, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Toffee Treets?

When I was a kid there were also Toffee Treets and I loved them. They seemed to disappear at the time of rebranding to M&Ms. Anyone know anything about these? 85.22.31.165 14:50, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

- Treets and bonitos, commercialized in Europe, were mentioned in previous version of the History section, but the whole thing has been deleted, I don't know why. Plch (talk) 14:11, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

What M&M's stand for.

I e-Mailed the M&M's site, and they answered back the M&M's stand for Mars & Milton, how would I go about sourcing an e-mail? This is what the Email looked like: http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b266/GForced89/MMsEmail.jpg GForced89 02:27, 30 June 2007 (UTC)GForced89

Unfortunately a picture of an email cannot be verified as real. In this case it's just easier to find a published reference and cite it. See what I added next to your add. Lexlex 08:19, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

• In a somewhat related vein, that edit seems to contradict an earlier statement in the "History" section. "After the rights were purchased by Forrest Mars Sr. and R. Bruce Murrie in 1939, [...] they combined the first initials of their last names: M & M." That would be "Mars and Murrie" instead of "Mars and Milton", so is the error in this section? --Cheers, Afluent Rider 12:33, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

69.196.151.202 (talk) 21:25, 17 January 2010 (UTC) I watched a documentary long time ago that had what M&M stood for. The Milton in the acronym actually stood for the son of Milton S. Hershey, the father of Hersey chocolate. This is what I remember from the doc.

Discontinuation rumor?

Under the "History" section is this line:

In June 2007, numerous sightings of stores putting Mega M&M's on clearance started rumors that the candies were being discontinued by the manufacturer.

It has no source, and is pure speculation (and, IMHO, total lunacy). This should be removed. --Dmolavi 18:49, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

{{Sodoit}}. Also, see WP:V. Feel free to remove any unsourced material if you question the validity :-) -SCEhardT 20:47, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

2 new flavors talked about at Candy Expo 2007

There were 2 new flavors talked about at Candy Expo 2007

• Limited Edition Cherry M&Ms (like the current Raspberry ones)
• Mint Crisp M&Ms (tie-in with the 2008 Indiana Jones movie...kinda like the Pirate Pearls with the Pirates of the Caribbean) Antmusic 23:13, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Something I find interesting about the latter is the variety in the package with skulls printed on them - given the universality of the Skull and crossbones poison symbol, it doesn't seem like a good idea, but I haven't read any criticism of it anywhere, has anyone else? Шизомби (talk) 15:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Smarties & M&Ms

In the HISTORY section, the article suggests that Smarties and M&Ms are virtually the same candy, albeit sold in different parts of the world. As both are sold here in Canada, I can attest to the fact that — other than hard candy coatings — the two candies have very little in common: they neither look the same nor taste the same.

It is true that the text uses the word, “similar,” but the two sentences that follow suggest a lot more than similarity. To wit, “After the rights were purchased by Forrest Mars Sr. and R. Bruce Murrie in 1929, they had to reintroduce them to the domestic [i.e., American] market with a different name because there was already a candy product sold in the U.S. under the name Smarties. To identify their new brand, they combined the first initials of their last names: M & M.”

Perhaps this paragraph could be re-written to to make clear that the two candies are not the same. Alternatively, perhaps a paragraph later on could indicate that whatever similarity they had at inception no longer exists in the 21st Century.

SpikeToronto (talk) 20:04, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

See also note on 'Smarties' under "Spanish Civil War origins?", below. Earthlyreason (talk) 05:02, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Spanish Civil War origins?

Perhaps there should be some mention of the possible origins. [1] 71.92.157.186 (talk) 21:28, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Now we say that the Spanish Civil War story is fact. But there is some dispute. Also, we say that Mars ate (the already established) Smarties, which inspired him. I don't see the reference (though note that M&Ms were first briefly sold in tubes, like Smarties. And note that Mars once worked in Europe, including for Nestle (who much later acquired 'Smarties'). This all needs checking. [2] Earthlyreason (talk) 04:53, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism: Removal of "Treets" from the history section.

Peanut M&Ms were referred to as "Treets" in the UK and Europe, with "Bonitos" as the chocolate ones. I note no mention whatsoever of this in the main article, and that about "Toffee Treets" that this mention was removed.

This is vandalism and should be reverted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.104.34.212 (talk) 12:35, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. I just put in a redirect to here from Bonito (disambiguation). Earthlyreason (talk) 04:54, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

info

So, how are M and M's made? How many do they sell each year? Why is this basic information missing? 14:57, 7 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.102.218.174 (talk)

I, too, would like to know how M&M's are made. I'd also like to know the marketing thinking behind eliminating the Razzberry, Wildly Cherry, and Crispy varieties, which I personally like. David Spector (talk) 18:15, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Bill Clinton

Why does it say that Bill Clinton was president in the 50's?

A vandal added that bit. I've fixed it (see WP:REVERT). -- Why Not A Duck 06:54, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Correct Spelling

I'm curious if there's a reason this has never been commented on. I work as an editor (not full-time for Wikipedia due to wanting money), and M&M'S came up in a manuscript. Usually Wikipedia is a very good source for the correct way to format/spell/punctuate/etc. specific terms, but it looks like the formatting of M&M'S may be incorrect. The Mars website always has the S after the apostrophe capitalized. In common usage, there does not seem to be a consensus. In the manuscript, I went with the capital S, contrary to how this article handles it. Does anyone know if/why I made a wrong choice? Should this be globally fixed in the article? Swfuj (talk) 16:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

That Van Halen story

The urban legend has been debunked further up this page (here) - but I feel the whole story is noteworthy in its own right. I've certainly heard it many, many times over the years. How would others feel about me adding something along the lines of "there is a popular urban legend that Van Halen's backstage rider required a bowl of MMs, with the brown ones removed" - with the link to that Snopes page as a reference? Dom Kaos (talk) 16:38, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

If you read that snopes page, the legend is not debunked, but confirmed (well, except for them trashing the backstage). I think it deserves mention here. 63.87.189.17 (talk) 17:25, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

History

I think we should split the history section up. Rather than years we have the main section that is Variety's and then list all the different ones and their history under sub headings, And then also have a promotions section, where it list the promoational variations, and some of the promotions of the product. Cause atm is just seems like a list of triva type stuff as opposed to actual readable paragraphs. IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 06:08, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Not a forum

Can I just remind people that the purpose of this page is to provide a place for people to discuss ways to improve the article. It is not a general discussion forum: any such chat will be removed Dom Kaos (talk) 15:45, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Data that could help the article improve

If anyone knows a chocolate by Mars Inc that uses the same recipe as the M&M's but without the sugar coatingUndead Herle King (talk) 08:19, 22 November 2009 (UTC) The m&ms were found by American soldiers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.121.161.13 (talk) 17:27, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Orange-flavoured M&M's

Why is there no mention of the orange-flavoured variety? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.209.149.98 (talk) 06:12, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

The "Paranoid" m&m

I think an important and fun fact to add would be how the orange m&m is the only one with a name. The rest of the m&m's are known as their color, but Orange is also known as Paranoid. I for one would like to know how this m&m's came to have its own name. (75.95.109.182 (talk) 05:13, 14 April 2010 (UTC)) My Name is Valerie and the date is 4/13/10

The orange spokescandy

Wasn't the orange M&M character originally female and peanut before the Crispy M&M got introduced? Maetch (talk) 16:38, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

m&ms rock!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.31.9.182 (talk) 19:36, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Beetles?

The page for shellac says that it's used for Skittles. I thought it was used for M&Ms too, but the M&Ms page just says it has a candy shell which is apparently just sugar.

FWIW I finally got a bright idea and googled it, and The Straight Dope confirmed it--it really is just sugar. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/695/is-some-candy-coated-with-beetle-juice

--Larry Hastings (talk) 09:14, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Rumor...

"... A year later, Crispy M&M's were released... They were discontinued in the United States in 2005... They are still available in Europe, Australia, and southeast Asia. It is rumored they will return to North America in 2011." What's the source on this?98.220.58.62 (talk) 21:25, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Melting in your hands

When I was a kid, their marketing slogan was that "M&M's melt in your mouth, not in your hands." This is obviously no longer true, however, having seen the color shells melt off in my own kids' hands many times and having to clean them up. Is there any information out there on the recipe changes that caused this? Or is my memory of childhood that faulty? 63.87.189.17 (talk) 17:21, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Pretzel M&Ms

The comment about there being no yellows is a fabrication. I'm a product demonstrator and I saw countless yellow M&Ms today during a demo. 76.10.139.93 (talk) 03:11, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Miss Green

It's hard to imagine there's images of the "spokescandies" without the iconic, lovely Miss Green. I'm gonna hunt one up today.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 05:14, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Talking M&M Spokescandies

Starting out the article about M&Ms, a candy that has been made since 1940, with a detailed description of the candy's current ad campaign is just plain dumb. It's not likely what somebody wants to know about first on this topic, nor is it timeless, since M&Ms commercials change all the time. Somebody needs to do some major cleaning on this article, and it's not gonna be me.

- Agreed! This article has obviously been raided by M&M corporate. I think people would rather see an encyclopedic entry rather than a corporate PR directive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.71.13.142 (talk) 07:45, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Orange M&Ms

When were orange M&Ms introduced? It doesn't say that orange was an original color. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.168.54.166 (talk) 13:59, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

They were introduced in the 1970s to replace red M&Ms, which were removed due to cancer risks from a red dye that M&Ms didn't use, but Mars didn't want people to think they used it. 63.162.76.24 (talk) 21:43, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Almonds

It seems the almond-centered candies called "A-1's" made by Food Manufacturers, Inc., were a pre-cursor to the later M&M variety (see here. The packaging is remarkably similar, too. - Dravecky (talk) 10:55, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

M&Ms or M&M's

Wouldn't it be more grammatically correct to write M&Ms instead of M&M's? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.141.123.34 (talk) 16:24, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

The correct term is M&M's. Each M&M's candy has the letter "m" stamped on it but the individual candies are still known as M&M's and not Ms.

For example, "I am going to eat a single M&M's candy". There is no plural form of M&M's.

When this question was given to Masterfoods, here is their response:

The trademark/brand name of our sugar-coated lentil-shaped products is “M&M’s”® and thus whether there are many pieces or one piece, each and all of them is/are “M&M’s”®. You could, and we do, differentiate between one piece and many pieces by saying “a “M&M’s”® candy” or “several “M&M’s”® candies”, the number being indicated by the generic term for the product.

http://www.giggl.co.uk/2011/11/email-to-the-mms-people/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.92.33 (talk • contribs) 04:11, 27 January 2012‎

The grammatical point here has been completely missed. M&M's is possessive implying that something belongs to M&M. M&Ms is plural, the singular of which is one M&M. If the thing possessed is always candy or candies, that may be fine, but the usage contributes to a misconception in peoples' minds. This distinction is missed all the time. For example, the Baltimore Orioles baseball team refers to itself as the O's, which is grammatically incorrect.Virgil H. Soule (talk) 07:48, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Virgil is of course correct technically: http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/apostro.asphttp://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/apostro.asp see #11

However, since M&M's is a trademark, technicalities matter not. You can trademark or copyright any grammatical abomination you choose. Note that in the referenced link there is the weasel-clause that allows you to use an apostrophe if it might be confusing otherwise. Ken (talk) 20:19, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Ultimately we're just going with what's printed on the packet, here - there's clearly an apostrophe. --McGeddon (talk) 09:32, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Start of green, yellow, and red colors

A sentence in the article mentions that green, yellow, and red were added in 1960 but the graph of color availability displays all of them available since startup in 1941. Which is it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.200.64.115 (talk) 07:01, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Foreign promotion

If the phrase "melts in your mouth, not in your hands" found currency in 1954 (close to the introduction of peanut M&M's), was this phrase (or its equivalent) used when the product was shipped overseas to non-English speaking lands? When was the product introduced to consumers in France? Did they use the English terminology, or did they translate it to French? What was it in German? What about when the product was shipped to Japan? 216.99.198.52 (talk) 02:13, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Missing Colors

I would like to add... there was a period of time... as they ceased Tan... and just before Blue... that ALL the M&M's made... came in BLACK and WHITE... with Lower Case "m" in Gray. Seemed like it lasted about 6 months or slightly more. I'll bet... not many remember or now-a-days... even knew. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.88.194.41 (talk) 23:49, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

So fix it. Esrever ^(klaT) 05:58, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

!

They are very important to the "candy society". I am only 12 years old and even i know what the candy society is, so if you don't, HERE IS WIKIPEDIA!!!!!!!!!!!! LOOK IT UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.79.66.98 (talk) 16:06, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

chart is outdated

It says its 1941-2013, but it only goes to 2010, not showing the 2012 changes when brown was added. Dream Focus 01:42, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Candy the Cow

I think the presentation on Adam's site is distorting the facts. The clip from [3] Regis Live (about Candy the Cow) clearly says the Erie county show was upcoming when that show episode had aired, and it's also clear that Regis was advertising the fair; see the card he read in the last few seconds of the clip. So the placement on the Regis show was probably a paid add, not something the Regis show noticed and reported out of their own initiative (how could they? the show hadn't even taken place yet.) I'm not sure about the other press coverage because it's not easily found on-line. But at least their presence on Regis Live was almost surely not for free, but rather it was an infomercial, although it's likely that the fair organizers shared some of the promo costs. Someone not using his real name (talk) 15:31, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Reese

I'm surprised there is no mention or link to a significant rival company's product with cultural history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.131.55.114 (talk) 06:32, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

NPOV language

Using the word "unfortunately" to describe the discontinuation of a marketing mascot is the very definition of NPOV language, so I have removed it and started the sentence with "Marketing," although I think "The marketing department" or a similar phrasing would probably be more elegant. Nonstopdrivel (talk) 16:52, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

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Introduction date can't be

The given introduction date of "February 29, 1941" CANNOT be! "February 29" is a LEAP DAY. "1941" is NOT a leap year. As such, something about the introduction date is wrong. Research needs to be done to verify the so-called introduction date.70.190.214.167 (talk) 01:14, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Evidence of Time Travel

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M&Ms

You can blend them and they turn into a liquid like a milkshake Aoife fitzsimons (talk) 12:25, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

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Orange vs. Brown

In the "Colors" section, it says that the original colors were Red, Yellow, Violet, Green, and Orange. (The citation link for this says they were Red, Yellow, Violet, Green, Orange, and Brown.)

But according to the infographic below and in the section about "Health Concerns," it appears that the Orange wasn't added until 1976, as a replacement when Red was removed. Looks like the original colors were Red, Yellow, Violet, Green, and Brown. I don't have any external citations to support this though, so I don't want to make a change myself - just noticing the discrepancy. Perhaps someone else can confirm?

ETA: Actually, https://priceonomics.com/why-red-mandms-disappeared-for-a-decade/ says the original colors were R, Y, V, G, and Brown - not Orange. Not sure if they're a reliable enough source to warrant editing.

EATA: Okay, this site (I'm procrastinating so hard right now you guys) not only supports the R, Y, V, G, and Brown (no Orange) claim, but has a color photograph. http://www.nww2m.com/2016/03/scitech-tuesday-wwii-and-the-invention-of-m-ms/ I'm assuming that the black-looking things are the greens. But I think they're reliable enough so I'm making the edit.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:3E70:2230:C1CF:8045:C8B2:4FD5 (talk) 23:36, 13 May 2018 (UTC) 

What are they REALLY?

Maybe I'm being naїve, but I think that the process for making M&Ms should be added to this article. Especially the "Melt in Your Mouth" sugar coating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.195.100.28 (talk • contribs) 13:31, 11 June 2007‎

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkZN3xr0sHs General Ization ^Talk 23:43, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Hersheyettes

"See also" features a list of "Similar candies from other companies." Hershey used to make a product called Hersheyettes that I remember being nearly identical to M&Ms, except that they carried the letters H, E, R, S, H, E, (and) Y (as the original Hershey's Chocolate World ride explained). I swear that I have seen them on sale - only at Chocolate World - relatively recently at least once or twice. PurpleChez (talk) 19:59, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

I was misspelling it... it's Hershey-ets, and they are in fact still available at Chocolate World for Christmas. I added them to the article.PurpleChez (talk) 20:02, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2020

Change kilocalories to calories (1 calorie = 1/1000 of a kilocalorie) MKMarlow (talk) 14:23, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

You haven't indicated why we should do this. Kilocalories are the commonly used form of calories when referring to food (see Calorie for more on this). GirthSummit _(blether) 14:29, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

more colors

is there any point to mention the odd colors released this year in relation to the Star Wars film - off whites, pale yellows, very light tans and earthy colors, etc...

Also, the M&M's website allows you to order them in a whole rainbow of colors from white to black and in between... worth mentioning?

lastly, should the main body be changed to more properly integrate the second mention of the elimination of purple from the original mix, to where it is first metioned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.35.95.181 (talk • contribs) 19:34, 25 September 2005‎

EDIT - The reasoning behind the pale colors of M&M's was representing the Light Side (or good side) of the Force relating to Star Wars. Since Anakin (and Luke) were both from desert planets, the colors were mainly a reflection of their background, I guess you could say. And in general, the pale colors have more of a passive or positive feel to them, whereas the Dark Chocolate (Dark Side) M&M's were all bold colors, representing strength, aggression, etc. of the Sith.

Sounds kind of fanboy-ish, but that's basically the reasoning behind the colors.

Hope this helps... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.151.197.4 (talk • contribs) 12:01, 8 July 2006‎

Should it also mention that tan was not available for peanut M&Ms (at least in 1980s-1990s). Also, it seemed the plain tan M&Ms were fewer in proportion to the other colors (at least in the 1980s-1990s). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.7.17.3 (talk) 17:15, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

NASCAR Sponsorship

Mars Snackfood US signed up to sponsor NASCAR in 1998 with Ernie Irvan (1999) behind the wheel. They would later sponsor Ken Schrader, Elliott Sadler, David Gilliland, and are currently with Kyle Busch who took the team M&M's sponsored car to it's first championship in 2015. He would do it again in 2019 making Mars Snackfood US and M&M's a 2X (two time) champion. In December 2021 Mars Snackfood announced that 2022 would be their final season with Busch and Joe Gibbs Racing before fully leaving NASCAR in 2023 after three decades (1998-2022). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7080:DF01:ED00:7C5F:15E4:D267:FDC0 (talk) 19:30, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Kosher m&m s

Can we have a discussion of when, why, and how m&m s became Kosher? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.16.67.189 (talk) 22:44, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Not without some reliable sources we can't. Do you have some reason to think that they are? — JohnFromPinckney (talk) 13:28, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

They are kosher. The U emblem on the box means it's kosher. But it doesn't answer the question how, when and why. And I don't think this is relevant unless there is something special about it (first mars inc. product to be kosher/special circumstances to it becoming kosher etc. Etc.) FlexingOnBridges (talk) 00:18, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Colors: Red ones were already rare before their 1976 suspension

This page completely fails to address the rarity of red BEFORE the 1976 panic about amaranth dye (which was NOT used by Mars). Ask anyone who ate M&Ms before 1976 and they will tell you that red ones were scarce in each bag. Why? Was the color more expensive? Did Mars test the red ones in each batch and reject some that had their color "melt" even though the chocolate core was intact? And why were there no blue ones back then? The options for new colors presented in later consumer surveys were always few, obviously limited by technology and profitability. Martindo (talk) 13:28, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

wrong about orange

Orange regular M&Ms did not replace red in 1976. Orange was an original color, and the elimination of red reduced the colors from 6 to 5 (orange, yellow, green, brown, tan.) Orange did replace red for the peanut M&Ms since there were only 4 peanut colors: red, green, yellow, and brown.

This ad from 1967 shows all 6 regular M&M colors. It is difficult to distinugish between tan and orange, but they are different. https://www.ebay.com/itm/313618499347 2600:4040:5D30:4800:2599:3174:89A9:AFB7 (talk) 00:58, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2023

All instances of Ma&Ya's should be changed to M&M's. The change to Ma&Ya's seems like a marketing stunt. Shouldn't it be changed back to M&M's? Also I can't find the original image for this on their site or social media's: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ma%26Ya%E2%80%99s_2023_logo.png It seems like an M&M's employee made these edits. Pranav Reddy 20:50, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Company ownership

Remove sentences referring to Maya Rudolph as the owner or CEO of M&M's, as sources state that she is only a "spokesperson".

"2023–present: Maya Rudolph ownership" -> "2023-present: Dropping spokescandies": Rudolph does not own the company or the brand.

"On January 23, 2023, Mars announced they were dropping their spokescandies in favor of comedian and now current CEO Maya Rudolph" -> "... in favor of comedian Maya Rudolph ...": Rudolph is not the CEO of M&M's or Mars.

"On January 26, 2023, Rudolph changed the name M&M's into Ma&Ya’s in favor of the rebrand." -> "... Mars changed the name M&M's ...": Rudolph did not make this decision; she does not own the company or the brand. Ouncenone (talk) 06:15, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

 Done Cannolis (talk) 08:17, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

References

Don’t you think we’re jumping the gun?

All this Maya Rudolph stuff seems to be a publicity stunt leading up to a Super Bowl ad where they go “you didn’t think we’d actually get rid of the spokescandies, did you?”, and honestly, while anything’s possible, I do think moving the page to Ma&Yas is pretty premature when this could just as easily be a marketing stunt. Remember the Baby Nut situation from a few years back? Crummymummy (talk) 03:16, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Agree. Even if this is a permanent change, the WP:COMMONNAME still quite obviously is M&Ms. Would support reverting this move as well as the multiple other similar changes on other articles by User:JacHarv. Cannolis (talk) 03:49, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

I agree. I think this was done too soon. Several media outlets that have reported on the mascot drop haven't mentioned a name change. Bneu2013 (talk) 05:27, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

I have moved the page back. Moving it to Ma&Ya's without discussion went way beyond beyond WP:BOLD, IMO. Dorsetonian (talk) 08:04, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, we should keep it M&Ms for now. This sounds like a corporate level shitpost, and here's why: Maya Rudolph is a comedian. She makes jokes. This sounds like another joke from her. I mean, really? Ma&Yas? Every M&M now has her face on it? Her ending a promotional video with things like "I like eating my own face"? Plus, this was done in response to conservatives getting mad at the mascots, and this looks like a way of saying "Is this what you wanted? No more mascots?" In no way is this permanant. RteeeeKed💬📖 20:32, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

Possible movie

In 2013 and 2015 as the 2 eternal Teasers of The M&M's Movie Whitch as a Movie studios/productions and Distributor is? 46.191.233.60 (talk) 07:42, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

Vegan M&M’s?

There’s no such thing as Vegan M&Ms. I searched it up and I only found a rumor. Can someone please unlock the page so I can remove this mention? 2601:8D:8700:A2D:19F0:4FCA:F958:E89 (talk) 11:31, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Treats should be Treets

The sentence "Two of these were known as "Treats" and "Bonitos."" should be "Two of these were known as "Treets" and "Bonitos."" Gospie (talk) 15:30, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Conflict of chocolates

"The original candy has a semi-sweet chocolate filling" is in the lead. There is another sentence further on which states the 'plain' variety was milk chocolate at its introduction in 1941. Milk and semi-sweet are two different kinds of chocolate with semi-sweet leaning towards dark chocolate. Also, ingredient wise they would be different I would think. Unless I missed it I did not see where there is a change from 'original' semi-sweet to milk chocolate documented. Thoughts? THX1136 (talk) 17:02, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Guernsey's ?

"The introduction of the blue M&M to Australia was promoted by the Australian Football League's Carlton Football Club, which wore sky-blue colored guernseys. . ." Looks like possible vandalism as I don't imagine the players wore cows. Since it's another country with perhaps different words used for some items, I did not edit the word to jerseys. Thoughts?THX1136 (talk) 17:25, 19 December 2023 (UTC)