Talk:Ménage à trois

Cleanup of "In Fiction"

I did some cleanup in the "In Fiction" section of the article. Some were vague references, or even excerpts from song lyrics. Other were vague plot references from single episodes of TV-series. Please do not re-add your entry if it falls under one of the above categories. Also, I shortened a few entries; names of actors portraying the characters are irrelevant in this section; it is about ménage à trois, not acting or the movie itself. If a person reading the entry is curious about the movie, they can find the according information on the relevant page of the movie. The section looks a lot better now. If somebody has some more knowledge about some of the current entries, please consider which ones are relevant enough, and remove as necessary. Bobber0001 (talk) 07:02, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

I've removed a few more. They were vague references or plots about married (wo)men being unfaithful for a while.    SIS  23:02, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Seinfeld

There is no mention of the Seinfeld episode "The Switch" where Jerry and George use this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.210.64.214 (talk) 13:20, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't think that's a notable example (?).    SIS  01:15, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Picture

I've been looking through Commons and Flickr for a better picture (I hate the current postcard[1]) but can't find anything. Suggestions, anyone?    SIS  01:15, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

In French?

Could someone please add a link to the corresponding article in the French Wikipedia? --78.69.55.99 (talk) 08:02, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

• I just did. ...But there's no article there! When I clicked the hyperlink, it effectively said the French equivalent of "This article was deleted. Check the deletion log for details." I find it really ironic that this article about a FRENCH TERM!!! :O :O :O would not show up in the French wiki, but would show up here! Another thing I find really strange is that, when I edited this article, I didn't get a red hyperlink for the French version. 4.248.38.218 (talk) 04:02, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

I looked at it the other day -- it got pointed to[2] I think. Atom (talk) 04:35, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Trivia

Extended content

The ménage à trois is a recurring theme in fiction and has been the subject of a number of books, plays, films and songs. Some notable examples include: Literature Jean Rhys, Quartet (originally titled Postures) (1928): a roman à clef in which Rhys fictionalised her affair with Ford Madox Ford. Ernest Hemingway, The Garden of Eden (written 1946–1961, published 1986): centers on an American expatriate couple who bring another woman into their marriage. Bob Shaw, The Two-Timers (1968): described a ménage à trois in which the husband and the lover are two versions of the same man, from two alternate time lines. Dylan Thomas, Under Milk Wood: a ménage à trois is seen in the form of Dai Bread, and his two wives: Mrs. Dai Bread 1 and Mrs. Dai Bread 2. Marion Zimmer Bradley, The Mists of Avalon (1982): relates the relationship of King Arthur, Guinevere, and Lancelot as a ménage à trois. The same theme is taken up in Guy Gavriel Kay's "The Fionavar Tapestry", where the Athurian characters are resurrected and have further adventures in the world of Fionavar, in the course of which they overcome the jealousies of their previous lives; when last appearing in this trilogy, Guinevere is depicted having one of her arms around each of the two men, the three of them bound to live happily ever after. Michael Cunningham, A Home At The End Of The World (1990): centers for the most part on a ménage à trois. Arnon Grunberg, The Asylum Seeker (2003): has a ménage à trois involving a disillusioned man, a terminally ill woman, and an asylum seeker. Adam Thirlwell, Politics (2003): a novel about a ménage à trois, which is referred to as "the socialist utopia of sex". In the Lunar society depicted by Robert Heinlein in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, a common form of family is a troika, composed of a wife, a senior husband and a junior husband. Simone de Beauvoir's, She Came to Stay tells the semi-fictional story about a woman named Françoise whose open relationship with Pierre becomes strained when they form a ménage à trois with her younger friend Xaviere. John Updike, in Rabbit Redux when Rabbit, who welcomes Jill in his house, finally hosts Skeeter for a period before the arson of the house. In The Deptford Trilogy by Robertson Davies, the scholar Dunstan Ramsay and the stage magician Paul Dempster a.k.a. Magnus Eisengrim end up as the "permanent guests" and lovers of the eccentric Swiss millionaire Lieselotte Naegeli – the three of them occasionally sharing an especially large bed, though "most often in order to have a breakfast in bed or take an important decision" rather than for sex. Science fiction writer Poul Anderson, in his novel Three Worlds to Conquer, depicts an alien species (on Jupiter) for whom a kind of "ménage à trois" is a fundamental biological imperative. A female of that species can only conceive by mating with two different males within a few hours of each other; thus, every individual has a mother and two fathers, and every family is composed of a female and two males. In the Anita Blake series by Laurell K. Hamilton between Richard, Anita Blake and Jean-Claude. Also mentioned as previously occurring and not described in detail in the series is the relationship between Jean-Claude, Asher, and Julianna. In Between Lovers by Eric Jerome Dickey centers around an American writer who finds himself involved with his former lover, a woman who left him at the altar, and the lesbian that his lover ran to Oakland to live with. Theatre Noël Coward's Design for Living (1933), also Design for Living (film) (Ernst Lubitsch, 1933): about the complicated relationship between two men and a woman. Samuel Beckett's Play (play) (1963): absurdist theatre piece about the situation between two women and one man. Caryl Churchill's Cloud Nine (1979): A bisexual man and two female lovers start a relationship and begin living together. Films Design for Living (Ernst Lubitsch, 1933): An early example of ménage à trois in Hollywood cinema. Referenced in the final scene of Road to Hong Kong (1961) (Bob Hope, Bing Crosby and Joan Collins). Les Diaboliques (Henri-Georges Clouzot, 1955): the husband is led on by his wife and mistress to believe that he will have a sexual encounter with both of them. Jules et Jim (François Truffaut, 1961): a classic ménage à trois film. Paint Your Wagon (Paddy Chayefsky, 1969): Ben marries Elizabeth, but she falls in love with Partner. They decide that if a Mormon man can have two wives, then a wife can have two husbands. Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (George Roy Hill, 1969): the relationship between Butch, Sundance and Etta Place is a classic ménage à trois. Performance (Donald Cammell, Nicolas Roeg, 1970): the relationships between Turner (Mick Jagger), Pherber (Anita Pallenberg) and Lucy (Michelle Breton). Sunday Bloody Sunday (John Schlesinger, 1971): film about a threesome with a homosexual man, a heterosexual woman, and a bisexual man. Dona Flor and Her Two Husbands (Bruno Barreto, 1976): tells of a woman who lives simultaneously with her second husband and the ghost of her first. Summer Lovers (Randal Kleiser, 1982): a vacation in Greece leads to a female-male-female relationship that is both emotional and sexual. Tenue de soirée (Bertrand Blier, 1986) : a couple and a homosexual friend. Rita, Sue and Bob Too, (1986): two Bradford teenagers have affairs with a married man. Three of Hearts (Yurek Bogayevicz, 1993): a menage between straight gigolo, his lesbian best friend and her former lover, an attractive bisexual woman. Threesome 1994 film about two male college roommates who mistakenly get a female roommate in their dorm. French Twist (Josiane Balasko, 1995) : a comedy about a man who hates lesbians, his wife and a lesbian. Ilona Arrives with the Rain (Sergio Cabrera, 1996): Colombian/Italian/Spanish co-production. After some time apart, Ilona (Margarita Rosa de Francisco) and Maqroll (Humberto Dorado) meet in Panama and open an airplane-themed brothel in order to raise funds so that Abdul (Imanol Arias), who has recently been released from prison in Ceuta, can buy a steamship to meet up with Ilona and Maqroll, and the three can resume their long-term romantic relationship. Chasing Amy (Kevin Smith, 1997): Ménage à trois is proposed as a cathartic solution among the three main characters. Bride of Chucky (Ronny Yu, 1998): Jennifer Tilly offers a ménage à trois to a victim she is about to kill, and involves the homicidal doll as entertainment. Kiss the Sky (Roger Young, 1999): aging married friends try to form a threesome while building an island retirement refuge. Though they fail, they learn to accept their situation with the help of a Buddhist monk. Splendor (Gregg Araki, 1999): Comedy/romance involving three central characters, Abel (Johnathon Schaech), a shy writer, Veronica (Kathleen Robertson), a headstrong actress, and Zed (Matt Keeslar), a drummer in an indie band, who form a romantic relationship following Veronica's inability/refusal to choose between the two male characters, and the male characters' eventual acceptance of each other as equal romantic partners to Veronica. Trois (2000): thriller about the aftermath of a bored married couple bringing a young woman into their relationship. Bandits (Barry Levinson, 2001): a ménage à trois is a major part of the plot. Y tu mamá también (Alfonso and Carlos Cuarón, 2001): a Mexican coming-of-age movie focusing on the sexual lives of the three main characters. The Dreamers (Bernardo Bertolucci, 2003): a beautiful and functional ménage à trois with an unfortunate end. Head in the Clouds (John Duigan, 2004): tells the story of these three characters' sexual and romantic relationship with each other. Shortbus (John Cameron Mitchell, 2006): James and Jamie meet a young ex-model and aspiring singer named Ceth and the three begin a sexual relationship. The Duchess (Saul Dibb, 2008): with Keira Knightley and Ralph Fiennes about the Duchess and Duke of Devonshire and Lady Elizabeth Foster who all lived together and had sexual relations. Vicky Cristina Barcelona (Woody Allen, 2008): depicts a dysfunctional, sometimes violent relationship between two Spanish artists that is finally brought into balance with the addition of Cristina. Whatever Works (Woody Allen, 2009): Marietta, an Evangelical Christan from the Deep South, arrives in New York City and undergoes a life change that involves becoming an artist moving in with two men. Castillos de Cartón (2009) Spanish film. Savages (Oliver Stone, 2012): an action thriller in which protagonist Ophelia (Blake Lively) has a Ménage à trois relationship with the two leading men (Aaron Taylor-Johnson and Taylor Kitsch). Television The Brady Bunch, A Very Brady Sequel: Marcia and Jan are walking home from the last day of school reading each other's yearbook messages. Marcia reads one to Jan that says "ménage à trois". Marcia replies saying "I bet that means 'you're the most'". This joke becomes a recurring gag throughout the course of the film between Marcia, Jan, and her fictitious boyfriend, George Glass. Three's Company Friends (1994): Phoebe meets her biological mother and learns that her biological mother, her father, and the woman who raised her were extremely "close" and all had sexual relations together (#3.25). (2000): In hopes of spicing up the sex life of Ross and his lesbian wife, Phoebe recommends a list of sexual acts he could try, including a ménage à trois with his wife, Carol, and her female crush, Susan, who is Carol's actual lover in the alternate universe (#6.136). Seinfeld "The Switch": Jerry Seinfeld attempts to end a relationship with one roommate, and start one with another, using a suggestion by George. "The Label Maker": George Costanza, referring back to the ploy he hatched with Jerry in the earlier episode, attempts to terminate a relationship by suggesting a ménage à trois, only to have it blow up in his face. Star Trek TNG also aired an episode entitled "Ménage à Troi". The title is a pun on the French phrase. Will & Grace saw Jack McFarland (Sean Hayes) remark, on several occasions, the "number of people in a ménage à trois," in the episode "Back Up, Dancer" (#7.02) Others Anthony Worral Thompson's first restaurant was called Ménage à trois and was known for only serving starters and desserts. Webcomics site Pixie Triz Comix has the serial Menage a 3, the story about Gary and his inability of have any luck with women until he gets a new pair of roommates, two girls named Zii and DiDi. In the DC Comics series Secret Six, Scandal Savage enters into a polygamous marriage with girlfriends Knockout and Liana Kerzner.

I just removed the above lengthy trivia section from the article. As presented it was inappropriate, far too long and was composed mostly of original research. The content may be valuable in the future if anyone wants to add a concise, researched prose section and needs examples of this social arrangement. ThemFromSpace 21:54, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Lord Mountbatten, Louis the wife of Mountbatten and Nehru the founder of modern India had been in menage a trois. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.47.218.117 (talk) 15:38, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

References

Too brief; not informative

Giving a brief list of historical personages who engaged in threeway relationships as the totality of an article is quite lame. Legal implications should be given a more sizeable consideration, while this article has none. For once, I agree that this article should be deleted - or, should have been a decade ago - unless it can be completely revamped. Philologick (talk) 10:01, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Shouldn't this just be a List? Weeb Dingle (talk) 00:15, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

There used to be more of a list, removed here. Andy Dingley (talk) 01:48, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

etymology section

could use a section saying what the word means in it's original language (french i assume) and how it came to be, how it got into popular usage, something like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tuseroni (talk • contribs) 20:05, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Ménage à trois

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Ménage à trois's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "bu":

• From William Moulton Marston: Lamb, Marguerite. "Who Was Wonder Woman? Long-Ago LAW Alumna Elizabeth Marston Was the Muse Who Gave Us a Superheroine", Boston University Alumni Magazine, Fall 2001.
• From Elizabeth Holloway Marston: Lamb, Marguerite. "Who Was Wonder Woman? Long-Ago LAW Alumna Elizabeth Marston Was the Muse Who Gave Us a Superheroine", Boston University Alumni Magazine, Fall 2001.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 05:12, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Salomé

I removed

In 1882 the Russian-born psychoanalyst and author [[Lou Andreas-Salomé]] invited the German philosophers [[Friedrich Nietzsche]] and [[Paul Rée]] to live with her, both of whom were in love with her. She kept her relationship with the two men celibate.<ref>{{cite book |ref=harv |last=Hollingdale |first=R. J. |author-link=R. J. Hollingdale |title=Nietzsche: The Man and His Philosophy |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=zRblXLiiNLQC&printsec=frontcover |publisher=[[Cambridge University Press]] |date=28 April 1999 |pages=149–151 |jstor=2024055 |isbn=9780521640916 }}</ref> Later she married a third man, [[Friedrich Carl Andreas]], with whom she was also celibate.<ref>{{cite news | first=Mark M. | last=Anderson | title=The Poet and the Muse | newspaper=The Nation | date=3 July 2006 | pages=40–41}}</ref>

because "celibate" means "abstinence from sexual activity", thus this is not an example of a ménage à trois which both the Oxford English Dictionary, and the Merriam-Webster's Dictionary, define as, "an arrangement in which three people (such as a married couple and a lover of one member of the couple) have a sexual, or romantic, relationship while they are living together." The phrase "or romantic" means the same sex couple may not be sexually involved, but are romantically involved. In any case the definition requires at least two of the pairs to be sexually involved.

Thus the sentence I removed does not fit the meaning of ménage à trois. Nick Beeson (talk) 17:41, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

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dated

in the US this is commonly used to mean a 3-way (BrE 3-some), not an ongoing relationship. while it can also mean that in certain (literary?) contexts, how often does that come up, really? for the most part, modern usage is more along the lines of "i scored a ménage à trois with 2 cheerleaders last night".

needs to be addressed in the article. 2601:19C:527F:A660:D94A:ECD9:C37E:3734 (talk) 09:50, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Why so Christian?

Why is there so much about Christianity on this article about threesomes/throuples? If it’s relevant, shouldn’t there be other religious context for balance? 81.78.68.31 (talk) 21:05, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

See also link

the link for troilism takes one to the "t" section on the paraphilias page when the topic of troilism is included with cuckolding in the "c" section, which isn't a fix I know how to make but would be good if someone could do MedievalEnjoyer (talk) 12:16, 1 November 2024 (UTC)