Talk:Müritz

requested move

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Result: Limited evidence/support for new title "Lake Müritz", restoring previous title "Müritz". 8 March 2008 -- User:Docu

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just "Müritz" seems to be the more common english name.

google scholar hits:

"lake-Müritz water -waren -röbel -graal -hydro-jet" : 8 [1]

"Müritz water -waren -röbel -graal -hydro-jet" : 106 [2]

This query actually includes a number of "Müritz basin"-like results, so I would like to see a comment of a native english speaker (without COI) here. Yaan (talk) 19:28, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

• • Incorrect. As per wiki guidelines, the name should be in English. It even refers to the name in the article. More information can be found here, where it states It is Wikipedia convention to emphasize alternate names at first use, normally in the first line. It is customary to bold the article title name, and its frequently used English language synonyms, and to italicize foreign or historic names represented in Roman script On a side note, there is not such resistance from Spanish or Italian users to have lake names under "Lago" - because proper translation is to "Lake" Rarelibra (talk) 15:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
    • And how is this relevant to Müritz already being the English name? Yaan (talk) 15:46, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
      • It is a LAKE. The article even says "Müritz is a lake..." which means in English it is called "Lake Müritz". You think we just say "Michigan" or "Huron" or "Superior", etc. in general reference? No. We say "Lake (name)". Rarelibra (talk) 15:49, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
        • Thanks for finally pointing that out, instead of repeating the German vocabulary you know. Do you say Lake Vänern or Vänern? Yaan (talk) 15:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
          • Again, off topic. We are handling the german lakes now - we can move on to the next language soon, and start a whole other mess. :) Rarelibra (talk) 16:02, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
            • Not off-topic at all. Either you show "Lake Müritz" to be more popular among English-speakers than "Müritz", or you show the existence of a general rule that lakes have to be named "Lake XXX". I can't rule out either, but it would be nice to see you are actually having something in mind when moving articles : ) . Yaan (talk) 17:55, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
              • No, I think it is on you to prove that the reference is proper in germanic. Lakes in English are "Lake" translated from other languages (in this case, 'see'). Rarelibra (talk) 18:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Care to tell where one can find the "see" in "Müritz"? Btw. the language is called "German". Yaan (talk) 11:53, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

• • No evidence was provided for "Lake Müritz", rather than just "Müritz", or some other form of the name, being the proper English name. I know "See" translates to to "Lake", I just cannot see how this is relevant to the naming of this particular article. Yaan (talk) 15:13, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
    • One example to point out this usage is how Hermon points to Mount Hermon. There are many other examples, and the wiki guidelines are to use English, especially for such a translation as a common lake (and not a proper place name). Rarelibra (talk) 19:54, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
      • Let's discuss this on the relevant talk page. Yaan (talk) 19:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
        • I'm afraid you brought it up here. If you retract the request, we can discuss more on the talk page. Rarelibra (talk) 20:06, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
          • Well, It seems as if Mt. Hermon is called he:הר חרמון in hebrew, with he:הר being for "Mountain". But the German name of this lake is just "Müritz", without any particle meaning "lake". i see Vänern and Vättern are also used without the "lake", so I don't really see some kind of rule. Nor do I see overwhelming english usage. Yaan (talk) 20:05, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Google Books gives practically equal results for Lake Müritz and the Muritz. Google Scholar favors the Müritz over Lake Müritz. Many of the former are references to the Müritz National Park, which not known as Lake Müritz National Park. Given the lack of overwhelming evidence, my recommendation is to restore the previous title. Olessi (talk) 01:52, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.