Talk:M-102 (Michigan highway)/Archive 1

Archive 1

Parallel with Wisconsin-Illinois border?

I think the actual latitude of the border runs through Our Lady of La Salette in Berkley. That's just north of 11 Mile. Otherwise, while the statement is true, that's true of any line drawn at a specific latitude and is NOT relevant. MMetro (talk) 11:49, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Name drop?

From the article, "There are a number of songs that name-drop "8 Mile."

Uh, did I just read name-drop in a wikipedia article? That should be rewritten. Nothing wrong with slang, srs, but this is a damn wikipedia article. lol. Paulmer2003 (talk) 01:37, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Zoning

If I remember the papers correctly, there should be significant references for Eight Mile being an adult strip due to the Oakland County ban on adult nightclubs, and early attempts at zoning laws, red light district, etc. MMetro (talk) 19:43, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Someone should explain the 8 mile name.

The roads 8 mile, 9 mile ect seem to count off from Michigan ave but I am not sure. The reason for the name should be explained.Geo8rge (talk) 00:10, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

There is an explanation in the article already:

"The name comes from the Mile Road System, a method used to delineate east/west roads through the Detroit area. Mile roads begin at the intersection of Woodward and Michigan Avenues in downtown Detroit; therefore 8 Mile Road is approximately 8 miles north of that point. 8 Mile Road ends at Marshall road in Green Oak township."

I hope that's sufficient. Imzadi1979 (talk) 02:51, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

It's a tangential line of latitude drawn eight miles north of Detroit's Point of Origin in Campus Martius Park. MMetro (talk) 19:42, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of... what's the deal with 8 Mile redirecting to "M-102"? I've lived in or near Detroit my entire life, and I have never, ever, not once, not even in passing, not on a map, not in conversation, ever ever ever EVER heard of "M-102". 76.20.144.229 (talk) 10:30, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, since the M-102 designation along 8 Mile dates back to 1928, and it is posted on maps and on the signage with other state highways, I guess my suggestion is that you take a look. As for the redirect, I doubt that it will change since otherwise WP would have two articles that cover the same stretch of road. The M-102 name has a higher "priority" since it is assigned by the state, and 8 Mile Road is just a name assigned by the local authorities. Imzadi1979 (talk) 12:40, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

This article is pathetic

The part on the whole urban renewal thing is a joke. That needs to be changed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Liquidblue8388 (talk • contribs) 02:32, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I don't think Urban Renewal means what that person thought it meant. --Jmcdon10 (talk) 13:40, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Great image that someone who knows more about Wikimedia should include

Is cc-by-sa Wikipedia-compatible? If so, this image would provide a fantastic illustration for this article, in the 'cultural divide' section, showing the sharp racial boundary along the road -- one of the most striking and unusual-looking in the nation. Someone who's familiar with the process of uploading and attributing images should get it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.24.9.82 (talk) 12:02, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

 Done Imzadi 1979 → 12:27, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Racial and economic divide

The first paragraph in this section does not really exemplify our policy of WP:NPOV. Is it necessary to describe a dividing line in racial terms within an article about a highway? Some readers may give this explanation more weight than it actually deserves. I think we are inviting criticism here. There are also no citations to backup these claims. Comments welcome. --Thomprod (talk) 23:33, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Comments

I fully agree that 8 Mile is a rather dramatic border - but I think that calling the area north of 8 Mile some of the "most prosperous zip codes in the nation" is a serious overstatement. Warren 48089 - ever been there? You'd think you were on the other side of 8 Mile. Those of us who grew up in that area always reffered to it as "the white ghetto". How about Ferndale and Eastpointe - all on the north side of 8 mile - and places where poverty is readily apparent. Rmisiak 05:49, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, it's much more of a racial dividing line than an income one. Along most of 8 Mile, the standard of living hardly changes--it's just that the people north of the road (well, east of Woodward anyway) are white and the people south of it are black. Alter Road, between Detroit and the Grosse Pointes, is more of an income dividing line. You cross it and go from lower-class to yuppieville. Funnyhat 05:27, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Also, it should be noted that the racial divide of 8 Mile has weakened as minorities have moved to Oak Park and Southfield. And of course, in much of Metro Detroit, 8 Mile is simply a political boundary, for example, west of Telegraph Road all the way to Washtenaw County.

What about 8 Mile east of 94? I live in St. Clair Shores. Over here, Detroit itself doesn't start right at 8 Mile; it's more like Moross (7 Mile for the uninititated). Just across Old 8 Mile (i.e. not Vernier Rd.) is Harper Woods. I think this also holds true for portions of the opposite side of 94. Just considering Harper Woods Regina High School is south of Vernier on Kelly. (I just don't go south of 9 that often on that side of 94, so I'm not that sure.) Uni nd 09 02:58, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Re: east of I-94: as you may know, 8 Mile is a pure east-west road. Near Eastland Center, it splits off. "Old Eight Mile," as it is popularly known, is a much smaller road that runs due east to just past Harper and into the St. Clair Shores/Grosse Pointe Woods area. There it becomes Brys Drive and veers away from the pure east-west path. Meanwhile, the bulk of traffic continues along M-102 as it veers east-southeast from that split and is named Vernier Road. That road, which many people mistakenly call Eight Mile out of bad habit, goes all the way to Lake St. Clair.Jnmwiki (talk) 23:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Note: Regina High School closed and moved into Warren, Michigan. Notre Dame High School closed. I would also note that Warren, Michigan and East Pointe, Michigan are much more integrated than they were before. On the other hand, Detroit's east side residential area has been badly ravaged. It only gets worse, but if you want to see Ringneck pheasants, Detroit is the place to go. Can't see them UPNORTH because farming practices have changed, but they are visible and mating on the open fields of Detroit 7&6=thirteen (talk) 03:41, 19 February 2008 (UTC)Stan

In media examples

We don't need an exhaustive list of all songs, movies, etc that mention the highway. A few cited examples are sufficient, and any added without citation should be removed. Imzadi 1979 → 03:32, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

So I guess that means the mere existence of a citation is sufficent for inclusion, not anything like context or relevance. If I remember from that many years ago, "Marshall Mathers" contains a part where Eminem disses the Insane Clown Posse, specifically outing them as hailing from the suburbs. I'm pretty sure the actual lyric was "when you ain't seen a fuckin' Mile Road south of Ten". Doesn't sound like it's expressly about Eight Mile to me. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 18:04, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

As I said three and a half years ago, a select list of cited examples is sufficient. The exact list of examples is open to discussion, but we have to draw a line or else people will keep trying to add every tangential reference to the roadway. When dealing with lists of notable alumni for a university, we typically require both the alumnus/alumna to have a stand-alone article and some citation to back the connection to the university. I'm basically suggesting that we will have to approach this situation similarly, RadioKAOS. Imzadi 1979 → 00:34, 13 December 2016 (UTC)