Talk:MS Golden Princess

Golden Prince ≠ Golden Princess

It appears that the Golden Prince in Ship Parade is not the ship that's the subject of this article. While Ship Parade's "facts & figures" section on the Golden Prince claims the ship is the ex-Finlandia and ex-Joy Wave and the build year is the same as the Finlandia/Golden Princess, none of the other facts match. Additionally Ship Parade's photo page on the Golden Prince shows a ship that's almost completely dissimilar to the real ex-Finlandia. It appears that the Golden Princess was in fact sold for scrap in July 2009. If it's possible to do so, I will revert the edits that introduced the erraneous information that the Golden Prince is the same ship as the Golden Princess was. — Kjet (talk · contribs) 13:56, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Scrapped; and is "Golden Princess" the best-known name?

This article is outdated, as according to this main source of the article, which was apparently consulted in 2008 for the last time, the ship was sold to China for scrapping in 2009. I will update it, but maybe it should also be moved? Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(ships)#Ships_that_changed_name_or_nationality says "An article about a ship that changed name or nationality should be placed at the best-known name" - is "Golden Princess" really the best-known name of this ship? Well, maybe yes... this ship's name has changed a lot, and at least she carried the name Golden Princess for her last nine years, but in this case I would still tend more towards her original name, Finlandia (11 years, 1967-1978). Gestumblindi (talk) 23:18, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

In my opinion, we should retain the last operational name since the ship spent nine years under the name Golden Princess. It's a long time and, with the exception of "ship hobbyists", I'm sure most people remember her and refer to her with this name. The WP:NC-SHIPS section you referred to may be used e.g. if the ship changes its name for its final voyage. However, if you want to move the article, drop the year — there's no MS Golden Princess and the ship wasn't built in 2000.

Also, who puts deadweight tonnage in the displacement field in all these articles? I've fixed a three-figure number of these errors. Tupsumato (talk) 06:49, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, not me - thanks for fixing! :-) Although I'm still not quite sure that "Golden Princess" is really the best-known name. After all, it seems there's not a lot of available information regarding her time as casino ship "Golden Princess" - and I would suspect that as a ship on a major European route, with the Finnish president as an invited guest on the delivery cruise, the then-Finlandia might have attracted more media attention than the Golden Princess as one of many Asian casino ships, which is often where older ships end up a few years before scrapping. But for the time being, I'm going to move the article to just MS Golden Princess as suggested by you, as I'm really not familiar with English Wikipedia's conventions and traditions in this area (I'm active mostly in the German WP, where things are quite different anyway - e.g. we don't use prefixes like "MS" for article names there). Gestumblindi (talk) 20:46, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

I guess that's okay for now - let's see if we get more opinions from other editors. I'm also okay with the original name if the others support using it.

As for prefixes, I also avoid using them. Usually it's obvious from the context (and italicized name) that the text is referring to a ship - there's no need to say MS this or MS that. Tupsumato (talk) 21:23, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

I agree that her most notable name was Finlandia. Nothing particularly notable about yet another end-of-life casino ship in HK. She was a step-change vessel for FAA, their first modern roro ferry, and generated considerable attention outside Finland.Davidships (talk) 02:58, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

AFAIL, active vessels are listed under their current name unless there is a strong reason not to do so. Recently scrapped vessels generally end up under their last name, but this is not set in stone. In this case, I'd support Finlandia as a more significant name in the history of the vessel. Mjroots (talk) 07:39, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, as Davidships and Mjroots agree that Finlandia is the more notable/significant name for this ship, I would like to move the article. However - should it be MS Finlandia (1967) (currently a redirect) or just Finlandia (1967)? Gestumblindi (talk) 00:51, 5 December 2012 (UTC)