Talk:Macrozamia riedlei

Zamia staggers

Note to get these wobblies and the above interlinked, ref in other room. cygnis insignis 04:35, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Moving range map from infobox to "Cultivation": (The rightful place for this map?)

@Cygnis insignis: and I have had some discussion about this range map, and I link you to it: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MargaretRDonald#Distribution_maps. The issue concerns the fact that occurrence data maps show outliers which are beyond the native range. I have shifted the map to be more visible, but my view is that despite the outliers it rightly belongs in the infobox. MargaretRDonald (talk) 01:41, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

@Cygnis insignis: The map now excludes all records for which the field, establishmentMeans, was empty or equalled "cultivated" or "unknown". Hence it now properly represents the native range. Hence I have moved it back to the taxobox. MargaretRDonald (talk) 02:31, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

I was able to get a similar result, and noted that does not accord with what the sources state: the range at the south-coast extends to the east. cygnis insignis 02:42, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

The most easterly results visible in the earlier map are probably now excluded, because valid collection data will now have been excluded, because the field indicating whether or not the specimen was cultivated is empty for those records. This does not invalidate the range map. These are the data - identified by professional botanists and held at the contributing herbaria. (I am not comfortable with excluding records on the basis of the state in which they were collected: I could have excluded data identified to state, but what would justify keeping WA records whose establishment means are unknown? I suppose we could work out some ridiculous criterion that when the data were collected early enough the failure to know establishment means is irrelevant, but who would try to justify a cutoff year?) MargaretRDonald (talk) 07:13, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Macrozamia riedlei occurrence data downloaded from Australasian Virtual Herbarium using https://doi.org/10.26197/5c23e4f3b2e43. This map excludes records where the establishment means are listed as "cultivated"

Feel free to modify this and remove the NSW dot in Paintbox....... (But the far eastern WA records where we do not know anything about the establishment means, perhaps look a bit dodgy?) MargaretRDonald (talk) 08:03, 28 December 2018 (UTC)