Talk:Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade/Archive 1

Archive 1

Rick Rolled

Macy's TDP Rick Rolled the entire TV audience for the 2008 Parade. Toastysoul (talk) 15:59, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Sources for 2008

Someone has listed three new balloons for 2008. Is there a source for this? -- Radionate (talk) 15:57, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

Date confusion

Article says first Macy parade was in 1929 but then goes on to discuss things happening in earlier years. What were the real years? How many years (and which) was the parade in NJ before moving to NY? WikiParker (talk) 16:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Article says NYC and Detroit started same year. Actually Detroit's first parade was joint with Windsor and was in 1905. 68.51.238.69 (talk) 14:42, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

"Macy's Day Parade"

_ _ Unless they are being paid not to, New Yorkers say "Macy's Day Parade". Woody Allen, the quintessential New Yorker, had his own character in Broadway Danny Rose do so. Professional journalists covering it on the TV news do so. "Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade" has 158,000 Google hits, but "Macy's Day Parade" gets 133,000 hits for written references. The formal NY Times, which still calls newsmakers "Mr. <surname>" in subsequent references, has "60 of about 79" for

"Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade" site:nytimes.com

but nevertheless one (4th 'graph) for

"Macy's Day Parade" site:nytimes.com

The hipper Village Voice has "11 of about 13" for the formal version, and "5 of 5" for

"Macy's Day Parade" site:villagevoice.com

Again, all of these written.
_ _ I've got no problem with the title being the formal version, but i'm adding

usually the "Macy's Day Parade" in informal contexts

and not only bcz the needed rdr requires it.
--Jerzy•t 17:51, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

We call it the "Macy's Parade". 24.4.131.142 05:07, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Partial rewrite

I've trimmed and rewritten some portions of the page. In some cases, there was a lot of detail that isn't necessary for an encyclopedia article (like the names of the organizers), and in others, the information didn't meet NPOV (e.g., the use of words like "sadly" and "unfortunately"). I think that the page is a much nicer read now. but I do welcome corrections/additions (just please don't wholesale-revert or undo it). —LrdChaos (talk) 17:18, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I've just reverted the edits by Maxx151 and 70.23.21.115, citing the addition of NPOV, unencyclopedic material. I don't want it to seem like I'm protecting "my" version of the page, so I figure I should explain a little as why. (For ease of viewing, this is a diff between my original rewritten version and the last edit before my revert).

I don't think that we need a whole paragraph devoted to a book; the book is already mentioned in the references section, and that's all we need. This article is about the parade, not about the book.

Secondly, there's no reason to list the names of the people involved in organizing the parade, especially in the way that it's been done here (by saying that "under [their] leadership ... the future looks even more joyful and exciting".

The material about past perfomances needs to be sourced, and the use of phrases as "many fondly remember" doesn't seem like the statement ever could be. A more neutral phrasing of some of the more notable performers over the years would be a much better fit.

The additions about the television coverage are likewise unsourced violations of NPOV. You would need to cite a source that makes these claims. The last bit (mostly 70.23.21.115's edits) really need no explanation; it just reads like one person's small rant about the coverage. —LrdChaos (talk) 14:01, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

External Links

I think the cleanup external links should be removed because the links to me are appropriate. Red1530 15:50, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

video game balloons

I removed the part about 1993 having Sonic being the first video game balloon. It was just thrown in the middle of the history paragraph for no reason. Also, if that is so important, perhaps a section on Parade Firsts would be better, such as the first time a tv character became a balloon, etc... Sabalon 02:17, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Looks like someone just kept rolling with that. Why is it relevant which was the first black or latino character? Superman, Ronald McDonald, and Pikachu are all from faraway lands and planets. It's rampant PC nonsense to point out specific groups as more special than others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 (talk) 23:06, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Underdog Reference on Reba

On an an epsisode of Reba, Van and Buzzard, a minor character were talking as they were watching the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade and they were disappionted that Underdog was replaced. I am wondering how long Underdog was in the parade? Mr. C.C. 16:15, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Barney

• One year the wind was so strong that the Barney balloon flew away from the rest of the parade.

Does anyone have any reference to this? And what year was that? Ryan Holloway (talk) 15:06, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

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Stewie Griffin

I heard stewie is going to be a balloon in this one, why isn't he on the balloon introductions thing? 98.15.219.192 (talk) 16:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Stewie was not a balloon in the parade. He was a balloon in a commercial, which doesn't qualify here. SpikeJones (talk) 19:17, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

2001 Ronald

Hi, I just added a piece to the incidents part about the tear of the Ronald McDonald balloon in 2001. I clearly remember his arm being torn, and this picture: http://www.flickr.com/photos/boyds/1231432489/in/photostream/ has a hole in his arm, so please don't delete —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.166.242.9 (talk) 21:45, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Glee

Is the NBC/Glee incident really relevant? If so, does it belong under the balloon inflation heading? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.14.201.51 (talk) 07:11, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Kool-Aid Man 2010

Does anyone have proof that the "Kool-Aid Man" will be introduced in 2010? Seems unlikely and should probably be removed due to looking forward without citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Digitallib (talk • contribs) 18:09, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Bamberger's parade

An earlier version of this article claimed that the parade started at Bamberger's Department Store, and was transferred to Macy's. Someone just tried to reinsert that into the article today. That is false. L. Bamberger & Co. held its first Thanksgiving parade in 1931, seven years after Macy's first. Source: New York Times, Nov. 1, 1931, p. 30. — Walloon (talk) 19:38, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Italic title

This article's title should not be italicized; it is a simple proper noun, not the title of a television program (although there is a television program associated with it that often uses the same name, they are not the same thing). Powers ^T 15:12, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

• I agree, it should be changed. AnimatedZebra (talk) 14:33, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Baxterewers, 30 September 2011

Macy's Thanksgiving day parade Add Mario,Spongebob Squarepants (2nd Version) With Patrick star & Gonzo the great at 9/30/11 12:50am

Baxterewers (talk) 11:07, 30 September 2011 (UTC) 10/9/11

No. Not until you provide some sort of evidence for these claims. Powers ^T 18:07, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Balloon manufacturer

Since 1984, the balloons have been made by Raven Industries, not Goodyear. If someone can figure out how to include this, here is a link to a newspaper article reference giving the details: http://articles.latimes.com/1987-11-25/business/fi-16401_1_macy-s-parade-balloons.

Balloon manufacturer

Since 1984, the balloons have been made by Raven Industries, not Goodyear. If someone can figure out how to include this, here is a link to a newspaper article reference giving the details: http://articles.latimes.com/1987-11-25/business/fi-16401_1_macy-s-parade-balloons — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.123.152.127 (talk) 13:39, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

M&M's Balloon Incident: Free M&M's

Under "Incidents and Injuries", the paragraph that discusses the 2005 incident where the M&M's chocolate candies balloon got caught on a lamp post and the debris injured two sisters standing nearby: I've removed the last sentence of this paragraph that simply states, "Also, the sisters got a lifetime supply of M&M's." There has been a "citation needed" tag on that sentence since November 2010 and I've tried to find a reliable source that can back-up this claim, but can't. Considering those two points, I think I'm safe in removing it. —Schaea (talk) 08:08, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Harry Potter Float 1993

Article mentions Harry Potter as a new float in 1993 - this seems doubtful, as the first book did not debut until 1997? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.47.169.24 (talk) 20:43, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

I request recent edits to Float introductions & Balloons introductions the IP added them without a source again Digifan23 (talk) 21:38, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Sam Sailor ^Sing 06:23, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 June 2014

Category:Media franchises 75.80.129.37 (talk) 01:51, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. I fail to see how the category applies. Sam Sailor ^Sing 06:19, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

2014 Balloons This Year

The new balloon confirmed so far is the Red Mighty Morphin Power Ranger. Rumors have said that other new balloons include Paddington Bear, New version of Pikachu, New version of Pillsbury Doughboy, Thomas The Tank Engine and Eruptor from Skylanders. I don't know if this is true or not yet. Also, there are suppose to be 16-20 character balloons this year and IT'S BEEN CONFIRMED THAT ALL OF THIS IS TRUE! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.151.83.124 (talk • contribs)

Why can't we Edit anymore and 2 more floats

First, Who changed edit to view source? And Why can't we edit anymore? Also, one float is the United States Postal Service's America Eagle Float (2003-2008). And the History Channel's New York Tin Toy Float (2006-2009). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.151.83.124 (talk • contribs)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2014

As of the 2014 season starting December 6, 2014 Universal Studios Florida started allowing guests to be balloon handlers if they met the parks requirements. 72.189.56.123 (talk) 04:24, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 09:47, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Macy's Great American Marching Band rehearsal and practice in parade 2015

Macy's Great American Marching Band rehearsal and practice in parade 2015, Macy's Great American Marching Band played in the parade in 2011, They started to parade again. Started to parade in 2006, 2007, 2009 and 2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1017:B422:8C66:AD3A:D6AE:A4DF:62EE (talk) 18:26, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Posted from picture and Updated from video.

Nogales Noble Regiment rehearsal and practice in the parade 2015

Nogales Noble Regiment rehearsal and practice in the parade 2015. Nogales Noble Regiment played in the parade in 2008. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1017:B422:8C66:AD3A:D6AE:A4DF:62EE (talk) 18:30, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Posted from picture and Updated from video. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1017:B422:8C66:AD3A:D6AE:A4DF:62EE (talk) 18:40, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

West Chester Golden Rams rehearsal and practice in parade 2015

West Chester University Golden Rams rehearsal and practice in the parade in 2015, West Chester Golden Rams played in the parade in 1986. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1017:B409:4A69:31DC:3D28:67A7:1BDB (talk) 22:13, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Posted from picture and Updated from video. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1017:B409:4A69:31DC:3D28:67A7:1BDB (talk) 22:15, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Free to Play float

PBS Kids Sprout is naked in 2015, It's called PBS Kids Sprout Free to Play. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.87.116.142 (talk) 00:30, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 November 2015

Please change the Rudolph falloon's debut year to 1998 because it didn't debut in 1997. 73.39.72.227 (talk) 17:29, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. -- ferret (talk) 20:17, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

Macy's Studio Tour 2015

Macy's Studio Tour is a November 15, 2015. New floats: Snoopy's Doghouse, Hallmark Channel, Build-A-Bear Workshop, Kentucky Fried Chicken, Avocados from Mexico, Free to Play (PBS Kids), Stone Forest of Kumming, China (Beauty of Beijing), Ocean Spray and Big City Cheer (Spirit of America). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.184.9.205 (talk) 14:11, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2015

include records of largest balloon, most popular balloon, etc 2601:1C0:5100:AE68:7153:A25B:10FB:B120 (talk) 20:51, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2015

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Semi-protected edit request on 26 November 2016

JSmith365 (talk) 23:32, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Empty request. Deli nk (talk) 00:37, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Content needs to be removed

There is a paragraph under the "televisions" section about telemundo which makes no sense. I tried to edit it myself but the page is "being protected" from corrections.

I agree that it makes no sense and have removed it. Deli nk (talk) 15:34, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Incredibly trivial section about balloon "incidents"

It seems that every time a balloon slightly deflated or went off course is worthy of inclusion in an encyclopedia. This isn't a fansite - I'm removing it. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 09:37, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

I removed it again. Putting it into a separate section does not help. Trivia about every balloon that ever ripped isn't needed. Most of it isn't sourced, but even if it were I don't think this belongs. Meters (talk) 21:08, 12 December 2016 (UTC)

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Articles for every parade

I was thinking of making a parade for every parade and their balloons floats etc Blackfriday2017 (talk) 16:12, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

This reminds me of the 2008 film Synecdoche, New York. A parade for every parade (to run concurrently I hope) is a damn fine idea. I know what you mean, per section title, but couldn't resist -smiley face here-. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:25, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2018

This page should not be about the television program. Instead the infobox should be an event or festival. 2404:F801:8028:1:1CD1:F1BE:F34F:F11 (talk) 06:24, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done there is only one section on the TV coverage - the rest is about the parade - Arjayay (talk) 12:59, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Macy's Parade 2018 hasn't update yet soon to replace Matt Lauer

Since the firing of Matt Lauer for more than 20 years on Today show and 19 years on Macy's Parade special, NBC hasn't update yet to replace Matt since 2017 as of 2018.

Savannah Guthrie and Al Roker is still on but maybe the host of Macy's Fourth of July special's Carson Daly or Today's Hoda Kotb or other guest hosts possible replacement for Matt.2604:2000:A016:3F00:A0DB:BB0C:E7F5:4C47 (talk) 17:38, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

No, we don't add unsourced guesses to article. Meters (talk) 22:46, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 November 2018

Change the word "commiserate" to "commensurate" in the section discussing why the logo was changed at the time when Macy's acquired the May's change. Jlg84 (talk) 08:21, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

 Done DannyS712 (talk) 08:32, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

Edit request

Protected - Edit request Under television coverage in the following paragraph, host by should be changed to hosted by.

"Since 2003, the parade has been broadcast simultaneously in Spanish on the sister network of NBCUniversal (Telemundo) host by María Celeste Arrarás from 2003-2006. The parade won nine Emmy Awards for outstanding achievements in special event coverage since 1979."o

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balloons were introduced in 1928 ==

The balloons were actually introduced in 1928 https://www.newspapers.com/image/?clipping_id=43059603&fcfToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJmcmVlLXZpZXctaWQiOjE1MTIzNTkxNCwiaWF0IjoxNTgzNjcyMDczLCJleHAiOjE1ODM3NTg0NzN9.6PhmBoaxhwUgWVdmnYQpUMNvyj1_0X5IK5F3YHMdXL8 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Appleidk (talk • contribs) 12:56, 8 March 2020 (UTC) --Appleidk (talk) 20:32, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Bud Palmer and Chris Schenkel hosted the 1962 parade https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/576024788/ --Appleidk (talk) 02:22, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Poster notice

Please remember to update the poster every year, the same poster (which i replaced recently and was very outdated) stood for almost 7 years. Popculturelover2021 (talk) 15:44, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

The relative age of Christmas Thanksgiving parades

The Macy’s article states it is tied for the second oldest parade in the US with the Philadelphia parade being older by a few years. The Peoria Santa Claus parade however began in 1888 making it far older than any of the three cited and the Peoria parade is still on going annually. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.213.161.212 (talk) 04:08, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 14 November 2022

The musical "Grand Hotel" performed at the parade in 1989, not 1991 as is currently listed. Also, the musical "Forever Plaid" performed at the 1990 parade. 69.121.205.226 (talk) 16:10, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. - FlightTime (open channel) 16:16, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Wolverine

The 1995 and '96 lineups both mention an appearance by Wolverine. Both instances link to the animal but I would assume are actually referring to the comics character. Can anyone confirm whether that's right or not? QuietHere (talk) 16:12, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Misspelling edit request

Under the "Balloons" subtopic, the "Novelty balloons" table's last row has the misspelling "forth" instead of "fourth".

Currently

"Green and Red Striped Candy Cane, Pumpkins (forth version)"

Should be

"Green and Red Striped Candy Cane, Pumpkins (fourth version)" 154.178.149.130 (talk) 20:15, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

•  Done Thanks for noticing and reporting it! DMacks (talk) 20:23, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

Marching Band Link

Clovis North Educational Center Bronco Band under 2022 marching bands should link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clovis_North_High_School Nontedious (talk) 08:28, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

 Done — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 09:06, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2023

The Ask Jeeves balloon shows Jeeves, a different character. Can you change link to Ask.com, since it makes this much sense? 2601:246:8202:5D00:4818:E895:153C:BB7D (talk) 01:22, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 11:40, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

List of performers and balloons

Why was this page butchered? I think having all the performers and balloons listed was essential to the parade's unique history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7080:5706:59A:9D3:9181:3D9C:B2CF (talk) 02:43, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

That was mainly because most of the sources / information came from the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade Wiki on Fandom, which included the balloon list. While I'd argue it is the best source for information on the parade, it is also not allowed to be used as a source as it could easy be manipulated and thus unreliable. BuggleJuggle (talk) 18:54, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

See also WP:NOTEVERYTHING. --Belbury (talk) 12:55, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

1927 claim

I noticed the parade's page now labels 1927 as the year giant balloons were introduced to the parade - they were not introduced until 1928. A simple Google search may lead you to say otherwise, but we have footage of the 1927 parade, with no balloon in site. Newspaper articles from 1927 also make no mention of giant balloons.[1] BuggleJuggle (talk) 14:40, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

That was mainly because most of the sources / information came from the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade Wiki on Fandom, which included the balloon list. While I'd argue it is the best source for information on the parade, it is also not allowed to be used as a source as it could easy be manipulated and thus unreliable. BuggleJuggle (talk) 18:54, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

@BuggleJuggle: I absolutely appreciate your desire to get this right, but the approach you've taken here amounts to original research / impermissible synthesis. We can't look at primary sources and conclude, on our own, that an absence of evidence is evidence of absence. On the other hand, we have Grippo, a reasonably detailed secondary source (even if I find it a bit fanboyish in tone), published by a reasonably reliable publisher, which, based on research with Macy's, Goodyear, and other sources, concludes that there were air-inflated balloons in the 1927 parade, complete with photographs that, I suppose, could be mis-dated, but aren't obviously attributable to any other year either. It seems quite plausible that, competing against much larger papier-mâché figures, the ~10-feet air-inflated balloons in '27 just didn't get any press coverage, or, if they did, that that press coverage happens to have not been digitized. (Note that, per Grippo p. 14, Macy's did not make the '27 balloons itself, so there may not have been press releases etc. about them.)

Anyways, I've written something that I hope makes clear the relevance of both '27 (first balloons) and '28 (first giant helium balloons). Let me know what you think. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 14:48, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

When it comes to this 1927 / 1928 rumour, it's not exactly easy for me to determine which is exactly when the balloons were introduced. Two Akron Beacon Journal newspapers from 1947 & 1958 mention 1928; while the earliest siting of 1927 I could find there was in 1954... which is also from the Akron Beacon Journal.

As for the last part, while I do think 1928 should no longer be the year listed, I think that a note indicating that the exact year the balloons debuted is desputed could be added, akin to how the Troubles page handles when it began. BuggleJuggle (talk) 21:51, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Both of those sources say that '28 is when Goodyear started making the balloons, not when the first balloons were used in the parade. So that's consistent with other sources, which don't say that Goodyear made the '27 balloons. I'd be fine with a footnote if there's an actual conflict among sources of equal reliability, but so far I'm not seeing that. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (they|xe) 14:27, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

removal of balloon sections

How come the section for the balloons and novelty balloons got removed? A new balloon was just revealed for the up and coming parade so i wanna know. BigDawg3 (talk) 00:42, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Recent edits...

Over the past two days have restored here, here, and here a section that is completely unsourced and has been marked as being unsourced since 2022. These restorations of the unsourced version have continued to occur even though two other editors have deleted the unsourced section. I am one of those editors - I do not wish to spend my editing time finding references that would source this section. Whoever wishes for the section to be retained needs to find sources for those parade balloons and add them to the section and not continue to edit war against Wikipedia policy/guidelines and against editorial consensus. Shearonink (talk) 17:28, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

I support that removal too. Meters (talk) 04:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)