Talk:Maghrawa

Merger proposal

The newer article Maghrawid Dynasty covers a lot of the ground already included in thus article - I don’t think we need two separate articles. Mccapra (talk) 23:05, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

They do look like two tiny articles with greatly overlapping scope. At least part of the Maghrawid Dynasty article appears to have been directly copied from this one. CMD (talk) 09:50, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Agreed, this is pretty close to an unnecessary content fork for a topic that can be covered on one page at the moment. R Prazeres (talk) 00:04, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

I have merged the pages. CMD (talk) 14:16, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

reliable source concern

Looks to me like a Google Books fail, and possibly a confusion between publisher and printer. This is a reprint of a historic book originally published by Ernest Leroux, a venerable and highly respectable publisher. The age of the source may create POV concerns about colonialism, but it is being used here for ancient history, and there is no reason to suppose that the reprint was altered. The French take old books and history *extremely* seriously, and I am fairly certain it would not have made its way onto Google Books if it was a hoax somehow. Elinruby (talk) 05:14, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

really garbled translation

will take some time to untangle Elinruby (talk) 05:22, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Infobox

I've removed the "Maghrawid Dynasty" infobox, as the article is about the entire Maghrawa confederation, not just the one dynasty in Fez. As the EI2 article on the Maghrawa and other sources make clear, there were many Maghrawa groups and rulers across the Maghreb with shifting relations and allegiances across this period. The article rightly mentions more than one of them and there are still more to cover; it's not as simple as a single "dynasty". Compare also with Banu Ifran and other similar articles about tribes/confederations of the time.

There are also complications that the infobox glosses over. For one, the end date of the dynasty proposed there is the date of the capture of Fez, but the exact date of this event is uncertain (as I've clarified again in this edit). The infobox also repeats a passing claim in the article that Ziri made Oujda his "capital", but other sources (including the EI2 article, which is very detailed) explicitly state that Fez was his capital and this is implied by the article itself via the aforementioned end date. I've also removed a dubious WP:OR map in a previous edit ([1]). In short, there is little accurate and representative information that can be conveyed in an infobox here, even if the article were revised more carefully. R Prazeres (talk) 20:22, 5 May 2024 (UTC)