Talk:Magnum Rolle/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Brad78 (talk) 22:19, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Lead

• "Rolle never played basketball until his freshman year in high school." This sounds a bit dramatic; probably be better as "Rolle did not play basketball until ...". Secondly what is freshman year? Is there a wikilink for this?
  • Reworded and linked freshman. I'm sorry, I thought freshman was widely known as the first year of high school or college. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 00:36, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• "His coach at St. George's High School, Darrel Sears, taught him the fundamentals of basketball while Rolle received free fried chicken." I don't think the offer of free chicken sounds the same as in the main text here. It doesn't quite make sense. The main body suggests he only played basketball because he was tempted with free chicken. You don't get the same impression with the lead sentence. I think it needs wording better.
  • Changed to "His coach at St. George's High School, Darrel Sears, bribed him with fried chicken to teach Rolle the fundamentals of basketball." ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 00:40, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• Sophomore year; same as freshman above.
  • Linked. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 00:52, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• Final Four, Defensive Team and Newcomer Team. I don't think any should be capped but am unsure. What do you think? Couple of examples of this too in the main body of text.
  • They were capitalized like this in the references I used. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 00:58, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• I would expand WAC the first time its used.
  • Explained. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 01:53, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• I would say in the first sentence he plays for the Pacers, e.g. "Magnum Rolle is a Bahamian basketball player who plays in the NBA for the Indiana Pacers. Born in ..."
  • Done. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 01:55, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Early life

• Do you know any details about his father?
  • Uhh, I do have one source that said he died "a while back." Since this is so vague, I decided not to put it in. What's your idea? ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 01:57, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• "Rolle never picked up a basketball until he was 14," as above it sounds overly-dramatic. I would change to "did not pick up..."
  • Done. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 02:10, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• I don't think coach should be capped.
  • It isn't. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 02:29, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

High school

• Where's St. George's High School?
  • In Freeport. Clarified. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 23:17, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• "also starred at track and field." Starred seems POV. Do you have any more details to back this up or to at least expand this sentence. Track and field is very varied.
  • I only have one source that even says he was in in track and fied. In any case, I changed it to "played track and field." ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 23:19, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• "that was the alma mater of musician Dizzy Gillespie." Does this have any relevance?
  • Not really. I removed it. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 23:21, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• Again, I'd expand AAU.
  • Done. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 23:44, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Sophomore

• "and it was hoped that Rolle would replace the shot blocking of Tyrus Thomas." Hoped by who?
  • LSU fans. Clarified. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 23:46, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• "Rolle's averages did improve slightly..." This sounds negative. Any reason why? I'd opt to change to a simple past tense as "Rolle's averages improved slightly..."
  • No reason, just the way I wrote it. Fixed. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 23:48, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• "The Tigers finished the year a disappointing 17–15 and 5–11 in SEC play." Disappointing is POV unless you have anything to back it up.
  • It is dissapointing considering their preseason projection. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~

Junior

• What's a blowout loss?
  • A bad defeat. I linked it. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 23:54, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
• "On January 29, 2009, Rolle had a perfect night from the field, shooting 11-for-11 with 23 points." This is repeated. One needs to be deleted.
  • Whoops! I didn't see that. I removed the second one. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 23:58, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Senior

• A few POV terms unless they can be backed up, such as crushing and rout.
  • I don't think they should be removed as they are common sports terms for lopsided wins and losses. Their ref backs it up. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 00:00, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

2010 Summer League

• "He played well" Who says? Needs a reference probably.
  • See the reference at the bottom of the paragraph. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 00:01, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Looks a good basis of an article. If you can address all the points above, I'll come back for a second look to see if there's anything else that needs doing. Well on the way though. Brad78 (talk) 22:58, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Everyone now looks pretty smashing. If the reference for his father isn't watertight, I would leave it out for the time being, but whether you go on to look at FA or not, it would be good to add something in if you get better references.

Everything else either looks great, or your comments above give good explainations.

The last thing I did spot though is that link 41, "Pacers acquire Rolle in 2nd round" is deadlinking. I don't know if it's either a typo in the link url or whether it's been moved. It probably needs either fixing or maybe finding another reference. Brad78 (talk) 22:41, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

• I don't think either happened, I think the Miami Herald just deleted an old article from their archives. Since it was an Associated Press piece, it was carried by several newspapers. I found the USA Today version and used that. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs/editor review)}~ 19:22, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

I noticed it was an AP story and guessed it wouldn't be difficult to find an alternative. Brad78 (talk) 20:23, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Everything now tip-top. Very good job and thanks for the minor improvements needed during the GA review. Brad78 (talk) 20:34, 6 September 2010 (UTC)