Talk:Main Street Historic District
Latest comment: 14 years ago by Doncram in topic pointy, sneaky, behavior contrary to consensus
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ordering etc
editI think that ordering the Main Street items here geographically makes a ton of sense. Moving the one about an "Old Main Street" to the end, out of geographic order, doesn't make sense for serving readers, IMHO. So I reverted a semi-bold move that had done that. --doncram (talk) 00:55, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
- Hi Station1, i see you made another edit which I also reverted, relating to whether the page should cover sites named "Old Main Street Historic District" as well as "Main Street Historic District". It's likely that the street involved is actually named "Main Street", so it would be reasonable that someone might look here. It's a service to readers to include it, IMO. Station1, I am working on several initiatives in response to your pressing on NRHP disambiguation right now. See wp:botrequest. I don't think your pushing on dropping places with prefix "Old" is helpful, at all really, and especially not relative to other potential issues here. Some others can lead to bots doing fixup work that I concede is somewhat helpful. This one does not strike me as leading towards any good development of the wikipedia. --doncram (talk) 14:29, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
- See MOS:DAB#Examples of individual entries that should not be created. There are many other equally (in)valid partial matches; they belong under See also if at all. As you have cited WP:BRD in your edit summary, please do not add this again until you have established consensus to do so. Thanks. Station1 (talk) 01:08, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- Well, in the BRD process cycle, it is your deletion which is bold, and i will revert it. About the policy you cite, the relevant quote there is "The above does not apply if the subject is commonly referred to simply by Title. For instance, Oxford (disambiguation) should link University of Oxford and Catalina might include Santa Catalina Island, California. If there is disagreement about whether this exception applies, it is often best to assume that it does." I assert that the exception applies, that the street is probably named Main Street, and the "Old Main Street HD" there is likely to be understood often as "Main Street HD". Station1, I am working on initiatives for you already, in response to your interest. Opening new petty issues is not helpful, IMHO. You can do what you want, but I wish you would pick your fights. I have developed and defended--against all sorts of crazy disambig-focused editors--a good, decent system of disambiguation of NRHP places. I am not saying, at all, that you are crazy as others have been, but it is tiring dealing with the long sequence of arriving editors. I hope you will please settle for making some effect towards whatever you want, in the area of getting a bot run to revise specificity of supporting bluelinks, and otherwise lay off. Again, you do what you want, but again, this is a good decent system that is again being brought under some attack, and it is not fun to deal with this. --doncram (talk) 02:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- I agree with the inclusion and the ordering of Old Main Street HD on this disambiguation page. lvklock(talk) 02:31, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- Station1, i see that elsewhere you question whether N, S, E, W, main streets should be mentioned. I just added "See also" type links to the dab pages which for those ones, which I know you are well aware of. Does that address your concern? Also I see that you question whether Cadiz Main Street Residential District should also be included on this dab. Looking at the info readily available from the National Register's NRIS database for that district, I see that it is in fact about an HD covering Main Street of Cadiz, Kentucky. I would not oppose your adding it into this list, offhand. --doncram (talk) 23:20, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- Actually, i am not sure whether that would be a good idea. Including the one named "Old Main Street HD" seems more obvious, because "Old" is a little word that is almost merely a grammar variation, akin to including places named "The Main Street HD", which IMO certainly should be included. There are lots of NRHP places like "Old Smith House" or "Old Post Office" which almost certainly had common usage as "Smith House" and "Post Office" and certainly should be mentioned among the "Smith House" and "Post Office" entries in their dab pages. Whether to use "Old" or not in referring to the HD would be confusing to readers, so both should be included in the same dab page. But if Cadiz is part of the formal name of the HD, it starts to be different. And there are others like Anamosa Main Street Historic District. Are you making a serious proposal? --doncram (talk) 23:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
- I'm in favor of keeping Old Main Street Historic District on the Main Street Historic District page, as I noted above. I favor this because I think that adding the word Old is too small a distinction to bar it from inclusion. It seems to me that it could be an easy thing to overlook when searching for the ditrict, unless you were a local of the area and familiar with old vs. new Main Street. If there were only a couple Main Street HDs that began with a direction (East or North), then I'd have been in favor of including them. Since there are so many, it makes sense for them to have their own DAB pages, and the See Also link is easy enough to follow if you're looking for one of them. As far as the ones with place names in them, I'd be in favor of including them, too. If I had passed through Anamosa on a road trip and was looking for the article to upload a picture to, I might very well not remember that the name of the place was included in the official name. I'd guess other people could make a similar oversight. As far as the Cadiz one, it has two differences, both the name being part of the title and that it's a Residential district instead of a Historic district. I guess you could draw that distinction and leave it off, but I'd still tend to include it. Lvklock (talk) 18:50, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
possible additions
editTo respond to an editor's suggestion that possibly other Main Street HD should be added here, the NRHP-listed other ones (after trying to strip out those already on this Main Street HD dab page, and those with North, South, East, West) are as follows. Hope this helps. --doncram (talk) 20:45, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
- Offhand, I'd say make Upper it's own and include in the See Also. As far as the rest, I'd tend to be inclusive, but I can see how it won't look like a nice neat DAB page. I can't see exactly what else to do about it though. You couldn't have a "______ Main Street Historic District" DAB page to include all of those separately, could you? Lvklock (talk) 20:53, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
pointy, sneaky, behavior contrary to consensus
editAn editor redirected one of the related pages, the Upper Main Street Historic District one, removing all entries, some time ago, and I just came across it now, only because i was checking through a list of NRHP dab topics starting with letter U. I find my way here because the Talk page there redirects to here now, i think.
To the editor, don't do that. If you have an issue with an NRHP disambiguation page or an NRHP item on a disambiguation page, please raise it publicly, don't sneak in a deletion/redirect of a page or item. These are all valid pages and items, basically, though there is some room for improvement in the quality of supporting bluelinks in some cases. It is not justified to simply remove valid entries. --doncram (talk) 17:23, 30 March 2010 (UTC)