Talk:Major

Shorten golf majors?

In the article, the entry for golf major currently reads:

• A major in golf is one of the four or five most important yearly tournaments. In the United States, the PGA TOUR and LPGA tour have four majors, while the Champions Tour for golfers 50 and over has five. All other top-level men's tours worldwide recognize the same four majors as the PGA TOUR. The LPGA Tour for women also has four majors.

I suggest that this is too much explanation of details for a disambiguation page. I feel the disambiguation page should only contain info useful for directing your request, not info about the topic. Differentiating ideas, not trivia. In that spirit, i would edit thusly:

• A major in golf is one of the set of most important yearly tournaments. In the United States, the PGA Tour, the LPGA tour and the Champions Tour have their own set of majors.

I feel this helps the reader because it suggests that if you've heard the word major as well as any of those other words near it, this is your link. However, it doesn't tell us the number, location, or the offical rules surrounding them. If we want to know this, we simply click on the link for Majors, or any of the particular golfing leagues. More concise, i feel.

Please comment. – Fudoreaper 09:44, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes, shorter is better, less to maintain. In fact, I prefer not to have links in the text except for the one actually being disambiguated, they don't really serve any purpose, but it's almost impossible to keep mindless link-adders from putting them back if you de-link. Stan 12:23, 2 October 2005 (UTC)

Interesting you talk about additional links their foolish purpose. see [1] - a dab page i edited a bit, but was cleaned up to wikipedia style. Perhaps this page should be changed to follow that format. — Fudoreaper 19:50, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Shorter, but not accurate. The men's majors are not endorsed solely by the PGA Tour and they aren't all in the States. Scranchuse 03:43, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Major golf and tennis tournaments

Is this page correct about golf? For example, is it correct to say "Woods expects to play all four major championships ..." rather than "... to play all four major tournaments ..."? --P64 (talk) 22:50, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

"Major" in sports: articles, disambiguations, and redirects

2012-07-25, underline identifies redirects to Major (disambiguation) --this page-- which are now listed in the midst of siblings that redirect as stated in each section.

1. GOLF. What redirects to Men's major golf championships? All bluelinks except one anomaly. There are 20 comprising ten with "golf" (i, ii) and ten without (iii, iv).

• Men's major golf championship

ii

• Major golf tournament, Major golf tournaments, Major Golf Tournament, Major Golf Tournaments
• Major (golf), Majors (golf)
• Major championship (golf), Major championships (golf)
• Major golf championship, Major golf championships
• Golf major, Golf majors, Golf Major, Golf Majors, and Golfing Major (only one -ing)

iii

• Men's major championship, Men's major championships; Men's major, Men's majors

iv

• Major tournament, Major tournaments, Major Tournament, Major Tournaments
• Major championship, Major championships, Major Championship, Major Championships, The major championships, The Major Championships

2. TENNIS

• Major tennis tournament; Major tennis tournaments redirects to List of tennis tournaments but is not currently used anywhere
• Major tennis championship, Major tennis championships;
• Major (tennis), Majors (tennis)
• Tennis major, Tennis Major, Tennis majors, Tennis Majors redirects to Grand slam (tennis) but is not currently used in article space

3. Other sports-related major-terms

• Major win, Major wins
• Major title, Major titles, Major Title redirects to The Irem Skins Game
• major college, major conference, major league

The latter is a disambiguation page with ten redirects that all incorporate "league".

Major is about a military rank.

What redirects to Major (disambiguation) --this page?

• Majors, The majors, The Majors, The Majors (disambiguation)
• Major championships, Major championships (disambiguation)

This is a complete list except three that incorporate "sport(s)".

first draft --P64 (talk) 22:50, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
update --P64 (talk) 16:46, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
expand, consolidate, renumber under bold title "Major" in sports --P64 (talk) 19:59, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Latest revisions -05-26 an -06-02

What do these two sessions by one editor comprehend? Compare versions is almost useless ... here is what I can make of "compare versions" using two windows:

1. group the first seven entries as "Other" and relegates them to the bottom (6);
2. relegate heading "Sport" to the bottom (5);
   1. group some sporting entries as subheading "Other sports" and relegate them to the bottom of heading "Sports" (5.3)
   2. group others under Tennis, to the bottom (5.2)
   3. group others under Golf (5.1)
      1. add many golf listings
      2. subdivide golf listings men (5.1.1) and women (5.1.2)
   4. cut a lot of sporting talk
3. dislocate the TOContents

(That numbering isn't what I hoped.)

What of it? The first and last are unwelcome. Much of the middle ("Sport") is welcome but the addition of golf listings is not --instead we should have a list of major golf tournaments that includes all the historical "majors"; formal subheadings for Men and Women in golf may be overkill. --P64 (talk) 19:33, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Major and Majors

Majors needs disambiguation, not redirect to Grand slam (tennis). Last month I hinted so in grand slam talk but I haven't yet started and will not this weekend. but I did nothing except re-target here --that is, Majors now redirects here.

Should Major and Majors disambiguate together --with a separate main article for Major and Majors surnames, if warranted? --P64 (talk) 19:33, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Currently we do disambiguate both here, including both surnames in section People.

I classified the redirect with {{R from plural}} and {{R from alternative name}}, unsure about the latter.

--P64 (talk) 23:13, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Ursa Major, ursa minor

These names of the stellar constellations also known as Big Dipper (Ursa Major) and Little Dipper will be familiar to many readers. I don't know how to fit it in but note that I visited because I was surprised to see maior not major in the preface as Latin, so that may be the place for it. --P64 (talk) 21:26, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation of minor and major

See Talk: Minor#Disambiguation of minor and major which may suggest improvements here. It's out of date because I revised both pages next day, but the most visible changes (which the discussion concerns) are there to make the arrangement of disambig Minor more like this one.

Here I changed the nature and location of Wiktionary links and location of the Contents box, along with substantial revisions. Yet the table of contents remains as I illustrated in that linked Talk. --P64 (talk) 23:13, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

What to include in this article

I'm looking at this list, which should be things that reasonable readers would look up the term Major, to find something that is often called simply "Major" or "Majors." There's a bit of trivial bloat here, and perhaps things that should not be.

Wikipedia:Disambiguation tells us:

• this is not a search index.
• Do not add a link that merely contains part of the page title.
• We reasonably expect to see Abraham Lincoln at Lincoln (disambiguation), but very few sources would refer to the waltz composer Harry J. Lincoln by an unqualified "Lincoln".

Then I see someone add under people, Klaus Heuser (born 1957), German rock guitarist and producer. This guy has a nickname of Major and it is almost always used as a first name or Major Heuser. He is not universally known as "Major" and should not be on this list as far as I can tell.

In looking I can see no reason why another entry should be here...Matt Sanchez (born 1970), American journalist and former porn star, known in the latter field by the stage name "Rod Majors". These are not search indexes for everyone with a first or last name of Major or Majors. This is to help readers find very specific articles that would likely be called only "Major/Majors". I think this should be fixed. I didn't take it to a full RfC because I wanted to gauge others thoughts first. I was talking about this with a fellow editor on my talk page, but wasn't really satisfied. Thoughts? Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:16, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

The reference "Der "Major" rockt wieder - Ex-BAP-Gitarrist in Brühl" in Klaus Heuser seems to justify having a redirect Major (German musician) (or perhaps The Major (German musician)), and an entry in the dab page for that name. If you disagree, then WP:RfD would be the place to discuss. I've tidied up about Matt Sanchez/Rod Majors, adding him to the Major (surname) page and clarifying that it includes the surname "Majors" as it already has several of that name listed. Looking at Marshall Taylor I wonder if that page ought to be moved to Major Taylor, as it's the name used in most of the sources (and eg "Major Taylor Association" etc.) Probably doesn't really belong on this page but on Major (given name), though perhaps that page would need to be clarified to say whether or not it includes nicknames. Gets more complicated the further you look! PamD 10:58, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@Fyunck(click) and PamD: I've had a go at cleaning up the page per MOS:DAB and WP:LONGDAB, cutting out a few entries not known simply as Major (etc.). Pam, I have move the 3 nicknames to the given name page - do you think it's ok? Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 13:59, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@Shhhnotsoloud: I think that "mononyms" go on the main dab page, so have replaced the two musicians. Not sure about removing all the military ranks, though I suppose they are clearly listed in Major, so that no-one would come to the dab page because they'd have found them there first. Will be interesting to see whether they reappear at some point! PamD 14:22, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Two things. 1) Why should we be using a non-exact link to an article? I'm not familiar with the mononym requirement for dab pages when at all other times we are supposed to be linking to the exact page name. 2) Klaus Heuser is pretty much an example by Wikipedia:Disambiguation of what not to include here. He is rarely called simply "Major" by sourcing, and even those are usually because he uses it as a first name. He is covered under the Major (given name), including people with the nickname section. Fyunck(click) (talk) 18:56, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

"rarely" but not "never": if the name is used for him, then it gets a redirect or, if the name isn't unique, a dab page entry. Perhaps the dab page entry should be unlinked with the real name linked later in the entry, but if he's sometimes known as "Major" or "The Major" (and we have a ref which is evidence for this), then he gets an entry in the dab page, as I understand things. PamD 19:07, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@Fyunck(click): If you don't think the redirect from Major (German musician) should exist then take it to WP:RfD. If it exists, then there should be an entry for him on this dab page. PamD 19:19, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@PamD: That is absolutely against Wikipedia:Disambiguation. We do not include every single instance of something on a dab page. Did you read what I quoted above? Fyunck(click) (talk) 19:39, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@Fyunck(click): Take it easy – you asked for thoughts from other editors, and you got some. Opinions often differ and interpretations of guidance are often different. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 08:23, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

And I do want input. However per Wikipedia:Disambiguation, just because something exists doesn't make it dab worthy. It might be by consensus but it is not automatic. Another thing we have been told by consensus and administrators (especially when making "good" articles, is that "IF" it is included, the link should be directly to the article name... not to a redirect. It can show "Major (German musician)" but it should always link to "Klaus Heuser", not to the redirect. Fyunck(click) (talk) 10:41, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 25 December 2019

Moved to Talk:Major

 – – Thjarkur (talk) 00:11, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

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post-move

Here's the monthly stats:

• https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2023-01&end=2024-05&pages=Major

Combined with meta:Research:Wikipedia clickstream data, since the move it looks like this:

November 3536

incoming identifiable 3225:

• other-search Major external 1653
• other-empty Major external 1042
• other-internal Major external 209
• other-external Major external 47
• Major_(United_States) Major link 102
• Main_Page Major other 96
• Major_(United_Kingdom) Major link 30
• Tiger_3 Major other 20
• War_(2019_film) Major other 16
• Lieutenant Major other 10

outgoing identifiable 1495:

• Major Major_(rank) link 1081
• Major Academic_major link 173
• Major Major_(surname) link 45
• Major Major_(film) link 43
• Major Major_and_minor link 42
• Major Major_(given_name) link 35
• Major Major_(Joe_Biden's_dog) link 24
• Major Major_(manga) link 21
• Major Military_organization other 11
• Major Major_film_studios link 10
• Major Age_of_majority link 10

So the top link was ~30.6% compared to the total incoming traffic. It's at ~72.3% of identifiable outgoing traffic, but with the obvious long tail being obscured by anonymization, this is quite a bit inflated.

December 3685

incoming identifiable 3284:

• other-search Major external 1852
• other-empty Major external 904
• other-internal Major external 193
• Main_Page Major other 122
• Major_(United_States) Major other 64
• Sam_Bahadur_(film) Major other 59
• other-external Major external 53
• Major_(United_Kingdom) Major link 37

outgoing identifiable 1555:

• Major Major_(rank) link 1117
• Major Academic_major link 154
• Major Major_(surname) link 87
• Major Major_(film) link 53
• Major Major_and_minor link 43
• Major Major_(manga) link 35
• Major Major_(given_name) link 32
• Major Military_organization other 14
• Major Major_(Joe_Biden's_dog) link 10
• Major Major_(American_musician) link 10

Here the top link was ~30.3% of the total incoming traffic. It's at ~72% of identifiable outgoing traffic, but with the obvious long tail being obscured by anonymization, this is quite a bit inflated.

--Joy (talk) 18:59, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

https://wikinav.toolforge.org/?language=en&title=Major shows in January 4.8k (4790) incoming, and 11 identifable outgoing destinations (total 1716), with 1.22k (1221) for the rank (~25% / ~71%). --Joy (talk) 10:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

In February it's 4.1k (4064) incoming, 13 identifiable destinations, 1.15k (1146) for the rank (~28%), 206 for academic (~5%), 87 for music (~2%), etc. --Joy (talk) 19:07, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

In March we saw 5127 incoming views, and in turn

clickstream-enwiki-2024-03.tsv:

• Major Major_(rank) link 1092 (~21.3% / ~74%)
• Major Academic_major link 199 (~3.9% / ~13.5%)
• Major Major_and_minor link 44 (~0.86% / ~3%)
• Major Major_(manga) link 38
• Major Major_(film) link 29
• Major Major_(surname) link 26
• Major Men's_major_golf_championships link 16
• Major Major_(given_name) link 12
• Major Major_(American_musician) link 10
• Major Counter-Strike_Major_Championships link 10
• total: 1476

--Joy (talk) 20:43, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

In April, with 4578 total views, clickstream-enwiki-2024-04.tsv showed:

• Major Major_(rank) other 1233 (~26.9% / ~72.5%)
• Major Academic_major other 213
• Major Major_and_minor other 59
• Major Major_(surname) other 41
• Major Men's_major_golf_championships other 38
• Major Major_(film) other 28
• Major Major_(given_name) other 26
• Major Counter-Strike_Major_Championships other 22
• Major Major_professional_sports_leagues_in_the_United_States_and_Canada other 15
• Major Major_(manga) other 15
• Major Major_(Joe_Biden's_dog) other 11
• total: 1701 to 11 identified destinations

In May, with 3263 total incoming views, clickstream-enwiki-2024-05.tsv showed:

• Major Major_(rank) link 1211 (~37.1% / ~73.7%)
• Major Academic_major link 206
• Major Major_and_minor link 51
• Major Major_(film) link 35
• Major Men's_major_golf_championships link 33
• Major Major_(surname) link 22
• Major Major_(given_name) link 22
• Major Major_(manga) link 21
• Major Major_(Joe_Biden's_dog) link 16
• Major Major_professional_sports_leagues_in_the_United_States_and_Canada link 15
• Major Grand_Slam_(tennis) link 11
• total: 1643 to 11 identified destinations

--Joy (talk) 11:19, 17 June 2024 (UTC)