Talk:Malahide

Name

Malahide is most certainly not named after Lord and Lady Malahide. The title was Lord Talbot de Malahide anyhow, and the name comes from Mullach Íde, meaning the Hill of St. Ita. Perhaps you could say its named after St. Ita!

Why did someone rename Malahide as a "township". I would call it a suburb or a town. Anyone else agree? (posted by 83.70.64.144)

I thought it a little strange, too. - Pete C ^✍ 00:53, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Editing

I think this sentence is a bit strange "It is home to approximately 15,000 inhabitants and the St. Sylvester's GAA teams". It makes it seem like the gaa club is either the most important or only organisation in the village. I'm going to change it to just "It is home to approximately 15,000 inhabitants." Maybe in the future someone can add info about various clubs and organisations based there. Cognoscenti 22:54, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Um, Bono doesn't live in Malahide. I'm gong to remove that point. Objection 22:12, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Malahide, derivation, continued

The article originally said that Malahide derived from Mullach Íde, meaning the Hill of St. Ita, which is indeed a literal translation. Although there are modern associations in the area with St Ita (Ide) I don't think the historical person ever visited. Other sources quote Mullagh h-Ide or Mullagh Ide, meaning the sandhills of the Hydes. Any local historians know if either is correct? Suckindiesel 22:21, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Not sure re. the above but "Hill of St. Ita" was the more accepted one for years when I was growing up, and while the article showed both derivations - a perfectly acceptable approach, someone has removed it from the "name" section, and it now shows only the less traditional "Sand hills of the Hydes". SeoR 15:05, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

"Sand hills of the Hydes" is not something I have ever heard in relation to Malahide, when I was going up the accepted derivation was always "Hill (or mound) of St.Ita", any local history book I have ever read used that as the accepted derivation. 198.240.128.75 (talk) 15:33, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

In fact the more I read about this Sand hills of the Hydes thing, the less likely it seems (apologies in advance for my links I'm not too hot on how Wikipedia formatting works). This article here (http://www.chaptersofdublin.com/books/General/malahidecastle.htm) from 1840 states

"The manor of Malahide was created by charter as early as the reign of King Henry II". Henry II reigned from 1154 to 1189.

This article http://www.fingal-independent.ie/news/area-gets-name-from-norman-landowner-1856761.html states that the Hyde of Donabate who was supposed to have been the source of the name Sand hills of the Hydes was a 14th century landowner called James de la Hyde, it also confirms that the Talbots were given Malahide by Henry II in 1174.

The idea that the town was named after a Norman landowner who died some 200 years after the Talbots had moved in makes absolutely no sense. What was it called between 1174 and the renaming as Malahide in the 14th century? Why would the Talbots rename their castle and the town 200 years after moving in? All of the Google links I have seen referring to this naming seem to be lifted directly from the Wiki article (apart from the Fingal Independent one above which has at least a name for the mysterious Hyde of Donabate). The 2 sources for this are both fairly dubious, and may in fact be based on the actual wiki article. I will look into this a bit more over the weekend, but it seems to me that as SeoR says abobe this "Sands of the Hydes" business is a new concept and I would suggest including the "Hill of St Ita" name too, I grew up in Malahide and this was always the derivation used when I was young, both at school, and in local histories.198.240.128.75 (talk) 16:11, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Fingal

Sarah - see here (including the mentioned Schedule 5) and here (particularly 9(1) (a)). Malahide is in the County of Fingal, full stop, simply because there is no longer a County Dublin. Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 10:47, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Hallo there. It seems there is a confusion, perhaps understandable in an international publication though not a more experienced encyclopedia, between the legal structure of county authorities and the reality of the 32 Counties of Ireland. This is not new, as the famous Tipperary has been divided into two County Authorities for many years (North Riding and South Riding). This is little known, not even everyone in Ireland knows, and no one cares much. "Tipp" is "Tipp". Same went for Yorkshire in the UK. It may be the size of a small country but it is just Yorkshire, no matter how many ways it is chopped up, and it has been through many mutations. The same for many of the UK's traditional counties, kicked into all sorts of strange shapes over the last century or so. And the same goes for Dublin. County Dublin no longer exists as an administrative entity, in part because of concerns about the operation of the old County Council. Sad but true. But legislation does not define reality, thank the Lord!, and County Dublin lives on just fine. Just ask anyone, or go watch the GAA. The abolition referenced in one of those links does not undo over 750 years. If Wikipedia wants to be credible as a source of knowledge about Ireland, it must cover both the legal situation (which gives us the lovely Fingal County Council and the "County Town" of Swords) and the historic and ordinary folks' reality. Would not be surprised if the "bits" of County Dublin change again over time, after all the Soutside used to contain all sorts of strangeness, and even up here we had an Urban Township of Clontarf! All the best with what is generally an excellent tool! I have learnt something new almost every time I have visited. 217.118.66.62 06:04, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Nice compromise edit. Bastun^{BaStun not BaTsun} 08:16, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Famous residents

This section seems to imply that an Taoiseach, Bertie Ahern is a famous Malahide resident. 193.1.172.104 12:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

The fact that a member of a boyband has moved into malahide recently should not be mentioned- a lot more talented people born & bred in Malahide dont get a mention —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.45.87.3 (talk) 23:51, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I've removed several dubious "notable" natives. Anyone got better photos? - the current lot look like they were created by some photoshopper on acid. Sarah777 (talk) 08:22, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Nearest gaelscoil & gaelcholáiste?

According to this article there is no gaelscoil or gaelcholáiste in Malahide, even though it has a population of 16,000. Where, then, is the nearest gaelscoil and gaelcholáiste? 79.97.154.238 (talk) 17:18, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Photoschocking?

I don't like to be critical of my fellow snappers but are heavily photo shopped pics really appropriate on Wiki articles? Sarah777 (talk) 12:26, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

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Proposal Use Irish English

To to reverting a miles preference over km and Soccer->Football conversion (local please check) I am wondering if it is appropriate to add the Template:Use Irish English. Any disagreement on this?

I'd say go ahead, the idea is good anyway, most (some would say all) Irish articles should prefer Irish English - but this, strictly speaking, refers only to language / spelling. However, it may help to remind people of the other types of point. On football, as there are so many forms, and Ireland, for example, has significant activity in three, and some in at least two others, the specific form must always be specified, even if piped to partial hiding. On measures, kilometres should be used, except in the USA, and in some respects the UK, anyway, but some new / infrequent editors use old familiar forms; replacement with a convert template facilitates both but we have to remember that such editors may not understand the template anyway. Good luck, SeoR (talk) 06:50, 10 February 2018 (UTC). Done.Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:34, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

My up-to-date photos versus ones from 12 years ago

@Djm-leighpark: I am an infrequent contributor but being local I sought to make a contribution to update these images. I am flabbergasted by the decision to take away most of my photos, to which I made an effort to capture and are recent, in favour of smaller files from 2007. The one user who did this seems to believe he owns this page and is the final arbitrator of what looks good. I am unpersuaded by 'concerns' about this, I receive nothing in return for using my own images, I just wanted things to be up-to-date. I request others or higher-ups to put a stop to this behaviour as it is just not on at all and if other newcomers are treated as I am there may be no incentive to contribute at all if this is what occurs.Ross X (talk) 19:40, 15 July 2019 (UTC)`

• @Rossyxan Thankyou for your contributions. I will start by saying the judging of the best images is subjective. And I am far from convinced most up to date wins; though overly old is often not good. On commons we have over 200 images in the tree excluding the Railway and the Castle. The question is which of these can improve the article significantly or best. Or whether to do a search on Flickr. Please remember my overall concern was the overall look and rendering of the article in my opinion. There's also a strong possibility or someone prioritising their their own images.

• Overall my judgement was the changes you made were not an overall improvement to the article.
• The image of the diamond seemed to have a lot of road in the front and just seemed unremarkable.
• The image of the Grand Hotel appears an unnatural yellow (at least to me). Being pedantic there's also some car roofs. Yes the resolution is good but looks wrong. In fact I'm inclined not to fancy any of the commons images of the Grand currently and I'd likely pull ( https://www.flickr.com/photos/infomatique/6902389892/in/photostream/ for flickr if flickr2commons was currently working ... NB: Having selected that image it is not the first time I've select an image from that photographer).

• I've done a manual pull from Flickr to commons of that image and published it to this article replacing the previous. When I've occasionally had to look for railway station images before I've often ended up choosing work from the same photographer. What I would comment is some more of his works on Malahide (and elsewhere) could usefully be pulled to commons.

• The Marina image didn't work for me ... though I have an issue with the previous one. The night one I selected looked good when larger but I'm less that convinced it works as a thumb.
• I quite like your library image ... I'm just not sure it goes well on the article.
• The mixing of 200px and otherwise didn't seem good.
• The image of the estuary seemed mostly blue sky top half and blue water lower half ... I think the problem is there is two of them.

Extended content
Grand Hotel in Malahide Malahide Marina Malahide Library Malahide marina and estuary as viewed from estuary side Malahide Estuary

Anyway whats really needed is for others to determine if your image selection are an improvement. (and maybe back out of some of my tweaks). Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:28, 15 July 2019 (UTC)