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I have removed a quote which was undue in my opinion, and removed "early political career" from the heading as she had not launched any career. As per this revert, I'd like to invite C.J. Griffin to discuss why he reverted my changes. Regards FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 05:00, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

It is not undue in my opinion, and it's a long-standing quote which is backed by WP:RS. I see no need to remove it.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 05:07, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

@C.J. Griffin the quote was never spoken by Malala, it is a written message which was read in a convention which she did not attend and we have no RS supporting the quote, (Yes a marxism site does not count as RS, as it is not third party). Furthermore it is about socialism, something which has not advocated in any of her other works/speeches etc. add to this the fact that she has not identified as a socialist/marxist after that and we have an undue mention. Secondly, what rationale do you have for reverting my other changes, e.g the removal of "early political career" from the heading. Regards FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 05:17, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Regardless whether she literally said the words out loud or not, they are still her words in writing. And Democracy Now! (the second citation) qualifies as a reliable source. This has been confirmed on the Reliable Sources Noticeboard. The section where the quote is placed pertains to her early political development and activism, therefore her interest in socialism is significant in my view.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 14:12, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

What importance does this quote have above all other quotes is the basic question. You will have to show that she had "interest" in socialism before we start putting in quotes, otherwise this is simply a case of undue. Otherwise it will be like putting a quote about English Literature in an article about a Physics professor. If she has no interest in socialism, then one single message is not important enough to be put into a quote, let alone included in the Wiki. There appears to be nil evidence that she has ever supported socialism. Perhaps you can be kind enough to provide at least 3 or 4 other instances where she shows interest in socialism, otherwise I'm afraid the quote will have to go. Regards FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 16:13, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

There is actually ample evidence that she had an interest in socialism at this time. The Democracy Now! link makes this clear. Her interest in socialism is briefly discussed at the tail end of the section. Given that this is long standing material and your deletion has been reverted per WP:BRD, consensus will be needed in order for the quote to be removed.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 16:43, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

@C.J. Griffin I do not see any discussion in the archives pertaining to her socialist views where consensus was established to put it in but perhaps you can guide me to such a discussion if you find it. WP:Stonewalling instead of discussion should not be used, especially when no consensus was ever established before putting this in. There are two other discussions in the archives about the socialism thing and both cast a high amount of doubt on its inclusion, so if your only strawman is "consensus" I will just go on and remove the quote unless you are able to find better sourcing which shows her high interest in socialism in order to validate inclusion of this material as a quote. Secondly and most, most, importantly, WHERE exactly in the democracy now article, do we find the mention of her "interest" in socialism? The article is not even ABOUT her, it is an interview with a socialist, who will of course tout her own horn. You said "Her interest in socialism is briefly discussed at the tail end of the section", so please copy and paste the "tail end" of the article which makes her interest in socialism clear. For as far as I can see the situation is that she sent this conference a written message and that was that, no other time in her entire life has she shown an interest in being a socialist, therefore including this in a BLP is quite frankly a BLP violation. Regards FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 17:15, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Here is what the tail end of the section in question says: In July of that year she participated in the national Marxist Summer School, and delivered a message to the 32nd congress of the Pakistani IMT, which thanked them "for giving me a chance to speak last year at their Summer Marxist School in Swat and also for introducing me to Marxism and Socialism."[35]

If she participated in a Marxist summer school, and can be seen in the image on the DN! article giving a speech in front of a podium emblazoned with Lenin and Trotsky, then clearly this establishes her interest in socialism and leftist politics, and that it was an important aspect of her early political development. Given this, there are no undue weight issues by including this (now if this was inserted in the lede, then that would be different - it is relegated to the appropriate section). Moreover, other reliable sources corroborate what I have said. This Al Jazeera article from December 2014, which also includes the same quote present in both citations on her wiki page (I'll add this as a citation in fact), states: "Malala’s association with the leftist group predates her Nobel and the Taliban’s attempt on her life. She addressed the IMT National Marxist Summer School in 2012, speaking from a stage adorned with portraits of Russian revolutionaries Vladimir Lenin and Leon Trotsky." Based on this, there is absolutely no reason the quote (present in three different articles, probably more) or her obvious interest in socialism should be omitted from the section of the article pertaining to her early political development and activism.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 18:45, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

@C.J. Griffin so the only thing that you have is the message and the reference that she had spoken at a "Summer Marxist school". Clearly this is not basis for including it as a quote. I am letting it stay in the article but as simple text. I'll wait for other editors to give their input. To be frank, she has never spoken about her political views as being socialist, therefore this is borderline BLP violation, but lets see what other editors have to say. Furthermore, I am removing the mention of "political career" from the heading as she never had a "political career". She did not join any party, nor did she form one, and she did not take part in politics. If you can give any RS about how she participated in politics, we can put the "political career" back in. Regards FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 19:41, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

• I agree this socialism spin should be removed as undue. Malala is speaking all over the world and tons of events to reach young people, and clearly she is blessed with an open mind. The comment thanking them "for giving me a chance to speak last year at their Summer Marxist School in Swat and also for introducing me to Marxism and Socialism" is simple politeness and COMPLETELY neutral! This was an opportunity where she could have gushed about what she learned but instead simply said a very neutral thanks, which is no endorsement whatsoever. She could have said the same thing if invited to speak at a Jewish congress ("Thanks for having me speak and introducing me to your religion and culture") and it doesn't mean she is going to run off and convert! Seriously, no. —Мандичка^YO 😜 23:59, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
  • I concur on the basis of the sourcing presented; this mention of Marxism is clearly incidental and I agree with Wikimandia that the most likely interpretation of that comment is mere social grace and norms when one is a young invited speaker at such an event. Or indeed, she might have been very genuinely expressing gratitude for the exposure to a new ideology, but that doesn't mean she is an eager convert to that philosophy and espousing her allegiance to its principles; with respect to C.J. Griffin, it honestly seems you've read a lot more into that comment than most would, out of a desire to see that implication. Regardless, it would clearly be non-neutral/undue to suggest devotion to socialist or Marxist principles on the wording of that statement, or Ms. Malala's prsecence at that that school; the event, and her speech, were clearly celebrating/advocating education, which is the core of her advocacy and what we know of her moral and social philosophy. Snow ^{let's rap} 00:17, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

The two comments above are grossly inaccurate given you both omitted any mention of her open endorsement of socialism with this written statement: "I am convinced Socialism is the only answer and I urge all comrades to take this struggle to a victorious conclusion. Only this will free us from the chains of bigotry and exploitation." This is not merely "simple politeness" or "expressing gratitude;" she is openly proclaiming that socialism is the ONLY answer to such social ills. This statement is backed by multiple reliable sources. EDIT: One more thing, her wikipedia page is included in the "Pakistani socialists" category, so the inclusion of her early socialist activities in the appropriate section is hardly undue. --C.J. Griffin (talk) 22:52, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

What is your justification for removing this category, FreeatlastChitchat? It seems to me that some politically biased editors here are bent on purging this article of any mention of the fact that Malala has had an obvious interest in socialism.--C.J. Griffin (talk) 13:34, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, the sources do confirm that she endorsed socialism but we can see this as an occasional burt. To take this seriously, we need to see a continuous involvement from her in socialism activities. Sheriff | report | 15:00, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

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Alphabetization

This article (and the eponymous category) should be alphabetized as “Malala Yousafzai” rather than “Yousafzai, Malala”, because Yousafzai is a patronymic, not a true surname. Equivalent with Icelandic names.--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 20:44, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

@Solomonfromfinland: Per Yusufzai (disambiguation) and Yusufzai, it is a tribal name and is treated as a surname. Do you have some source that says otherwise? Richard-of-Earth (talk) 05:08, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

You're right, Yusafzai is a tribe-name; which, IMO, qualifies as a surname. This very article says so. Thing is, this article originally said that Yusafzai was a patronymic; apparently that was a mistake. I apologize. Alphabetizing this article as “Yusafzai, Malala”, is appropriate.--Solomonfromfinland (talk) 17:12, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Awards and honours

The section is getting big. Perhaps we need to move it to a separate page? --Saqib (talk) 21:01, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Kushal Public School

The Kushal Public School is one school which has six divisions by gender and age so that there are six divisions with separation of males and females and at grade, middle and high school age levels. The school is called public in the same sense that the British use it rather than being government run it is privately owned. The British and Pakistanis make a distinction calling it public in that it is open to students from the public not a privately tutored home school.RichardBond (talk) 22:24, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Taliban restriction on female education.

The Taliban in Swat was permissive of educating younger females but opposed educating any old enough to have children. Females were expected to have husbands and children as soon as possible and not study for careers. This resulted in there being females in grade school but schools which had high school programs were harshly treated and many were blown up.RichardBond (talk) 22:31, 27 April 2017 (UTC) I have my information second hand and perceive vagueness in the article and am receptive to better explanation.RichardBond (talk) 22:42, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

Reaction to Rohingya persecution in Myanmar

I don't know where but there has to be something about Yousafzai's reaction to Rohingya persecution in Myanmar (2016–present). There are literally dozens of sources and it is already reciprocated on that article. Ꞷumbolo 19:25, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Well, it would seem to fit under Continuing activism. Which sources are you thinking of? I found this NYTimes article (which mentions this Twitter statement) and a BBC source. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 23:01, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

I've added a section under Continuing activism in this edit. — Bilorv_(talk)^(c)(e) 20:41, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

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Lede and discussion of education

Since the following ("In August 2017, she gained admission to Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford to study for a bachelor's degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics (PPE).") appears in the "education" section, wondering if it should be taken out of the lede? Thanks for the feedback.

Cypresscross (talk) 19:09, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure exactly what the question is. The lead of an article is designed to "summarize the body of the article with appropriate weight". So all the information in the lead appears in sections below. — Bilorv_(c)(talk) 19:18, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Wondering if that much detail belongs in the lede? The lede is getting a bit long - invite your thoughts. Cypresscross (talk) 23:52, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Ah yes, I think that's fair. I've trimmed the fourth paragraph a tiny bit. Personally, I prefer quite meaty leads so I think the current length is now acceptable, but it could also be made shorter if you prefer. Perhaps the education bits are undue weight, but I think we should mention both Edgbaston and LMH, or neither. As a current LMH undergraduate I have a bit of bias, so I'll abstain from giving an opinion on which should be done. — Bilorv_(c)(talk) 00:44, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

I think those are good changes. Its hard to say how much detail on education would be undue weight in the lede since her life and mission have been about education.Cypresscross (talk) 12:03, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Pashtun ethnicity

@Wq639: please stop edit warring. Two separate users have reverted your edits, which is more than enough for this to require discussion before re-addition. The text in question, placed at the beginning of the second sentence of the second paragraph of the lead (after stating her birthplace), is:

An ethnic Pashtun

No reference for this is needed, contrary to the edit summaries of @Wumbolo and @Charlesdrakew, as this is clearly stated and sourced (ref #21) in the body under "Childhood". I also don't understand Charlesdrakew's assertion "A bit racist for the lede" – is it the phrasing you object to? Nevertheless, I am ambivalent over whether this is important enough information to be mentioned in the lead, given that it is mentioned once, briefly, under "Childhood" and seems to have influenced her pseudonym "Gul Mukai" but otherwise not be particularly relevant. On the other hand, it is only three extra words and a basic fact about Yousafzai. — Bilorv_(c)(talk) 17:06, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

We'd include the ethnicity in the lead if it is relevant to the subject, which I don't see. wumbolo ^^^ 17:08, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

I believe it is relevant enough to be included in the lead, especially in the context of the paragraph as it says her birthplace. The region she is from has a distinct enough culture in relation to the ethnicity that I think it should be included. And it's only three words long, it's not gonna make the paragraph messy. --Wq639 (talk) 22:24, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

@Wq639: maybe if we create an article about Pashtuns in Pakistan, yes, but the Pashtun ethnicity is not related to her, it is related to being born in Pakistan. wumbolo ^^^ 06:53, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2018

i want to edit because the dates are given wrong in the awards and honours part 2405:204:43A4:4095:7946:9301:2697:3147 (talk) 20:46, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:13, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2018

i want to edit because the years are not listed properly in the awards and honours part and it is given in a puzzled way 2405:204:43A4:4095:7946:9301:2697:3147 (talk) 20:50, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

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I think this request is about the inconsistency of formatting under "Awards and honours", which I have briefly attempted to improve a little bit in this edit. — Bilorv_(c)(talk) 01:50, 26 May 2018 (UTC)

Early edits by Malala herself?

hide off topic conjectures about old history per WP:TPOC, no relevance to improving the article

Hi, I was a major early contributor to this page back in 2012-2013. https://xtools.wmflabs.org/articleinfo/en.wikipedia.org/Malala_Yousafzai. I haven't been back to the page in a while, but I wanted to mention something that I noticed back then. If you look at the revision history all the way back to the origin of the page you can see that someone added a huge amount of content around Aug 15, 2012. For example look at this revision: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Malala_Yousafzai&oldid=507575382. The content was undone because of WP:BLP issues. But I believe this may have been Malala herself writing her auto-biography. If so, I think this is a very interesting primary document from before her murder attempt. I just wanted to note this here in case nobody else has noticed it. Fortibus (talk) If so she describes herself "a charming child with beautiful sharp features, bright eyes, smart looks and visionary appearance" from this edit. If Malala was that conceited, it would show up in other writings by her. It is an over-eager fan. It is a bit of an insult to Malala to suggest she wrote it. If anyone for any reason wants to delete this conversation I will not be offended. It might be best if you delete it yourself as it might be seen as trolling. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 19:51, 31 May 2018 (UTC) This fits the pattern of major additions by a huge fan of the subject, even the username. It does not look like Malala's writing herself, or even someone directly connected to her. (If Fortibus wants to delete or archive this section, that's fine by me.) — Bilorv(c)(talk) 23:34, 31 May 2018 (UTC) Yeah, that doesn't sound like Malala at all (we go to the same Uni, have met a couple of times). I get that people change with age, but still. As others have observed, this sounds like fanboy/girl writing, not somebody writing about themself. The only possible indication is the date of birth, so they could possibly be a family member. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 01:29, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Pashtun

change ((Pashtun)) to ((Pashtuns|Pashtun))

 Done - Thankyou for pointing this out. William Avery (talk) 18:17, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 September 2018

At the end of Malala Day add...

"Words from the speech were set to music by composer Kate Whitley, commissioned by BBC Radio 3 and broadcast on International Women's Day 2017. Sofie Vilcins (talk) 11:06, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• Comment. Sources: [1] [2] wumbolo ^^^ 11:48, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

 Done — Bilorv_(c)(talk) 14:46, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Involvement in the IMT

There is no section on Yousafzai's involvement with the IMT, a Trotskyite Marxist organization — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.50.173.132 (talk) 18:36, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Can you find any reliable secondary sources about this topic? Everything in a Wikipedia article should be verifiable. We have to be particularly careful in articles about living people. — Bilorv_(c)(talk) 19:58, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

@Bilorv: Her complex ideological commitments, including the IMT, are mentioned here by Al Jazeera America. —Bangalamania (talk) 21:38, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

Order of the Smile - no information

29 October 2016 Malala received the Order of the Smile as the youngest person . http://thenews.pl/1/9/Artykul/278340,Order-of-Smile-awar https://www.polskieradio.pl/9/315/Artykul/1688992,Order-Usmiechu-dla-Malali-Yousafzai — Preceding unsigned comment added by Filtr (talk • contribs) 12:48, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

@Filtr: thanks! I've added this to the Awards and honours section in this edit. — Bilorv_(c)(talk) 01:05, 31 December 2018 (UTC)

April 2015 trial

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In April 2015, the ten who were arrested were sentenced to life in prison [...] It is not known if the actual would-be murderers were among the ten sentenced. In June 2015, it was revealed that eight of the ten men tried in-camera for the attack had in fact been secretly acquitted, insiders revealed one of the men acquitted and freed was the murder bid's mastermind. It is believed that all other men who shot Yousafzai fled to Afghanistan afterwards and were never even captured.

is self-contradictory; can anyone improve it? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:20, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Well the disconnect comes from the different times the sources were published. This section definitely needs rewriting, but I wonder whether the Daily Mirror is an acceptable source here; WP:RSP says maybe, but I'm not inclined to trust the neutrality of an article which reads "Brave Malala's hitmen secretly FREED just weeks after their 25 year prison sentences: Eight of the 10 Taliban thugs were not convicted and their secret trial was a pathetic sham and just TWO are serving a sentence". Using language such as "secretly acquitted" and "were never even captured" as the tone of Wikipedia is obviously unacceptable and needs to go either way. — Bilorv_(c)(talk) 22:59, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 March 2019

Please change "Kailash Satyarthi" to "Kailash Satyarthi" because that is the correct name and link is also broken. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kailash_Satyarthi Dipto.pandit (talk) 14:45, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: There is literally no difference between "Kailash Satyarthi" and "Kailash Satyarthi". The link to Kailash Satyarthi in the article is working fine. NiciVampireHeart 15:18, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2019

It says that Malala has two organizations: Aware Girls and Malala Fund. Please remove Aware Girls since that is not her organization. While she participated in Aware Girls activities, she is not a founder or executive of that organization. Please see their Wikipedia page for reference. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aware_Girls Hannahorenstein (talk) 19:00, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

 Done wumbolo ^^^ 19:30, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Copyright cleanup

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I've added the fact back with rewritten wording in this edit. — Bilorv (he/him) _(talk) 15:49, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Honorary degree 2016

Suggest edit to list of recognition - 2016 honorary degree Master of Arts from the University of Edinburgh see https://www.ed.ac.uk/news/2013/malala-211013

Kaybeesquared (talk) 22:23, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Spelling correction, cannot edit:

"Works" section reads: "ousafzai was the subject of the 2015 documentary-" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.118.103.193 (talk)

 Done, thanks for pointing this out. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 16:14, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 8 June 2020

she is 23 years old now Benjamin Pujol (talk) 10:14, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 15:42, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2020

Malala has graduated from Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford University. Please change "is currently studying for a bachelor's degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics at Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford." into the past tense, and anywhere else in the article where the tense must be changed. 79.71.75.40 (talk) 20:31, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jack Frost (talk) 08:47, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

A-levels

I am sure that I read about Malala studying A-levels at Atlantic College in St Donat's. The article suggests that she continued to study in Edgbaston after GCSEs. I am looking for a source for this (and my memory might well be faulty) and it is a small detail I know, but struck me as an omission when reading this. I am also happy for anyone to correct me on this! :) GlenUsk2 (talk) 12:26, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2020

Malala has finished her Oxford University degree from Lady Margaret Hall. SOURCE: https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/malala-yousafzai-is-finally-a-graduate-from-oxford-university-and-now-its-time-for-her-to-netflix-2676843.html (and her Twitter page). Change all references to her 'studying' etc to past tense. 79.71.75.40 (talk) 10:58, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

 Already done Megan Barris 16:08, 19 June 2020 (UTC)

Neutrality dispute

@ABCDE22: I don't understand this cleanup tag here: why is this article's neutrality being disputed? Jarble (talk) 22:58, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your question Jarble. I do think that this article's reception section is pretty much unbalanced against Malala. It is overly displaying Indian jingoistic sentiment besides normalising prominent Islamophobic comments from prominent Islamophobe like Katie Hopkins; who has been banned from twitter for the same reason. Also downplaying Yousafzai's support. For example without mentioning her criticism in coming mostly from BJP supporters also ignoring support from libearl section of India and from elsewhere. Below are some of the summary:-

• Critics of Malala Yousafzai's appeal to restore education system in Kashmir are conveniently ignoring her track record
• The Malala Paradox: No Matter What Your Views on Kashmir, It’s Impossible to Comment Without Being Trolled
• "After 42 days of blackout and counting, the vile and embarrassingly childish responses to Malala's thread below only speaks volumes about her detractors." Fatima Bhutto on Twitter ABCDE22 (talk) 09:49, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

After a cursory glance, I have to agree that the reception section is quite unbalanced, making quite a big deal out of a relatively minor incident (really, the twitter spat hardly deserves its own section). It could use a cleanup. --Maryam.Rosie (talk) 02:21, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

I've trimmed the section substantially now and removed unnecessary commentary. I believe it is more neutral now. If there are no objections, I can remove the neutrality tag (especially since it was that section, and not the whole article, that was the cause of neutrality concerns). --Maryam.Rosie (talk) 02:38, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Education

The education section is buried extremely deeply in the early life and education section. I think it should either be placed at the start of early life and education or the end. The end seems more appropriate.Hmanburg (talk) 14:45, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

On a similar note, I recommend updating "alma mater" in the biography box. It currently states "University of Oxford" without giving the college. As demonstrated in other wikipedia entries (Ex: David Cameron, Boris Johnson, Tony Blair) it is the Oxbridge tradition to consider the college, not the university, an individual's alma mater. This may seem unnecessary or odd to readers unfamiliar with the British university system, but the college attended within the university matters a great deal, especially in the Oxbridge system in which the college provides instruction and lodging. For consistency with other Oxford alum, the Alma Mater section of the biography box should read "Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford." Other graduates of Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford, also have this style in their Alma Mater section. Ex: Benazir Bhutto, Nigella Lawson, Michael Gove, and Ann Widdecombe. As a loose but illustrative comparison, saying she is an Oxford alum without indicating which college is much like saying someone is a SUNY alum without indicating which institution they attended. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.169.175 (talk) 00:59, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2021

Her advocacy has grown into an international movement, and according to former Pakistani Prime Minister Shahid Khaqan Abbasi, she has become "the most prominent citizen" of the country.[6] (Change the link for [6] to https://artsandculture.google.com/entity/malala-yousafzai/m0hncyss?hl=en) Doggylover153m (talk) 17:00, 10 February 2021 (UTC) Doggylover153m

 Not done: That website appears to be use content taken from Wikipedia, which means it is not an appropriate source for a Wikipedia article, see WP:CIRCULAR. Regardless, there also doesn't appear to be anything wrong with the current source. Volteer1 (talk) 17:06, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Canadian Citizenship

Is honorary Canadian Citizenship, really need to be put in the infobox, to the same level as Pakistani citizenship? Especially because according the citizenship it is honorary and the Honorary Canadian Citizenship article states "Honorary Canadian citizenship is purely symbolic; the recipient does not receive any of the rights, privileges, or duties typically held by a Canadian citizen." CH7i5 (talk) 14:25, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

As the Canadian citizenship is honorary and already mentioned in the lede there is no need to put it in the infobox. Robynthehode (talk) 13:09, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

British citizenship

I think she has British citizenship now. Or is it just residency?150.101.89.147 (talk) 10:27, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

It doesn't matter what you think but what reliable sources support WP:RS. Provide a reliable source for this information and it can be included in the appropriate section. Robynthehode (talk) 13:11, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

Okay, point taken. But no need to be rude. Thanks.150.101.89.147 (talk) 08:44, 20 June 2021 (UTC)k

Sorry if you took my comment to be rude but clearly stating Wikipedia policy is not being rude. It is one of the fundamental protocols of Wikipedia that as editors our opinion about a subject doesn't matter. Instead we, as editors, collate reliabley sourced information for inclusion in articles. I provided a link so you could read up on protocol. Further, talk pages are for suggesting how to improve articles not for making unsupported comments WP:TALK. Robynthehode (talk) 11:38, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Sure. I guess that's the problem with written communication. Things might appear to be something else.150.101.89.147 (talk) 01:16, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

"often referred to mononymously"?

Is this something that's specific to her, or do all members of the Yusufzai tribe do this because being referred to simply as "Yousafzai" (as for example the current POTUS is referred to simply as "Biden") would be insufficient when there are so many of them? I know substantially more about Japanese names than Pashtun names, but members of the Fujiwara clan (at least pre-modern ones who lived in a period when family names were not common in Japan) are rarely referred to as "Fujiwara" but rather as, say, "Michinaga", so I suspect this may be a similar situation. She's probably the most famous Yusufzai in western mass media right now, which, if my assumption is correct, would still create a false impression that conventions applied to members of her tribe in general rather apply specifically to her; Saddam Hussein was the most famous Iraqi in western media in the 1990s, and western media knew to refer to him "mononymously" as "Saddam" rather than "Hussein", but we don't note that in our article on him. But I'm just guessing here -- do we actually know? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:51, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2021

Change in the final paragraph of the first section: "she won a place" to "she earned a place" or "she gained a place"

(Yousafzai completed her secondary school education at Edgbaston High School, Birmingham in England from 2013 to 2017.[20] From there she won a place at Oxford University and undertook three years of study for a Bachelor of Arts degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics (PPE), as an undergraduate at Lady Margaret Hall, a college of the university. She graduated in 2020.[21]) 79.69.174.145 (talk) 06:38, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done all are synonymous. Any particular reason for the change? -ink&fables «talk» 09:05, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2021

In 2014, Malala Yousafzai was elected Child Rights Hero of the Year by millions of children and came to Sweden to receive the World’s Children’s Prize for the Rights of the Child from HRM Queen Silvia of Sweden.

Source: https://worldschildrensprize.org/malalayousafzai Kakakotravels (talk) 08:09, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Melmann 09:26, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Misspelling of Toor Pekai Yousafzai

The name of Malala's mother, Toor Pekai Yousafzai, is misspelt in the childhood section of her article. It is listed at "Tor" rather than "Toor".Csprwiki (talk) 23:45, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Fixed. Dirac66 (talk) 00:38, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 20 December 2021

Change "She is also the world's youngest Nobel Prize laureate, and second Pakistani." to "She is also the world's youngest Nobel Prize laureate, and the second Pakistani to ever win a Nobel Prize."

I sincerely doubt that she is the second Pakistani ever to exist. 98.2.224.190 (talk) 22:50, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

 Done Danski454 (talk) 23:30, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 2 June 2020 and 2 August 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Jasleenbghuman.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 00:26, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Taliban's ban on girls' education beyond 6th grade

The current text is "Yousafzai condemned the Taliban's ban on girls' education beyond 6th grade" This is not consistent with the reference, which mentions primary and secondary schools. Would someone with editing access please change the text to accurately reflect her comment. (I believe 6th grade is something in US schools. It is not something in countries relevant to this article) 2A00:23C8:8E90:AE01:8458:983:E499:236E (talk) 11:01, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Non-standard date format

The current text is "Burqa and Bikini On March 07, 2022, Would someone with editing access change this to the standard format of 7 March 2022. 2A00:23C8:8E90:AE01:8458:983:E499:236E (talk) 11:04, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

 Done The Crab Who Played With The Sea (talk) 15:03, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Graduated with honors

The current text is "On 19 June 2020, Yousafzai said after passing her final examinations, that she had completed her PPE degree at Oxford and graduated with honors." No, she graduated with honours. Would someone with editing access change this inappropriate use of US niche spelling? 2A00:23C8:8E90:AE01:8458:983:E499:236E (talk) 10:55, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

It's not a direct quote, and I changed the entry text to reflect that. But the source uses the "honors" spelling, and EngvarB indicates "non-specific spelling that cannot be identified as American English or Canadian English spelling", so I've left it unchanged for now. I also don't know whether the Pakistani English and British English spellings differ and which should be used if not leaving it as it's now. The Crab Who Played With The Sea (talk) 15:43, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. A US news outlet is not an strong reference for a UK qualification from a UK university. Similarly, a single reference froma US news outlet is an invalid source for the spellings used by a UK university. In respect of spelling variants: there is no valid argument for this article to follow those used in the US, and others parts of the article to do follow UK spelling. Also, Pakistan has no notable links with the US, whilst it has very strong historic and current links with the US. Indeed Pakistan is a founding member of the Comminwealth, and the spelling used in the country can be classed (if one wants to use such terms) Commonwealth English.

Some relevant sources about her qualification:

• paper local to the university
• another article from the same local university
• the BBC is far more relevant than a US news outlet
• a national UK newspaper is also more relevant than a US news outlet

Also, in respect of your comment 'I also don't know whether the Pakistani English and British English spellings differ and which should be used if not', Wikipedia itself notes 'Pakistani English (PE), similar and related to British English'. Again, there is no logic to use the niche variant found in the US.

Please change as 'honor' is both inaccurate and inappropriate.

Semi-protected edit request on 24 August 2022

FROM

In October 2014, she donated $50,000 – all the prize money she received when she was awarded the World’s Children’s Prize

TO

In October 2014, she donated $50,000 to the UNRWA for reconstruction of schools on the Gaza Strip.

AND FROM

• 2014: Nominee for World Children's Prize also known as Children's Nobel Prize

TO

• 2014: Awarded the World Children's Prize also known as Children's Nobel Prize

FROM

• 2020: Malala Yousafzai Elementary School (referred to as Malala Elementary) in Fort Bend County, Texas opens. It is operated by the Fort Bend Independent School District (FBISD).

• 2022: Elected World's Children's Prize Decade Child Rights Hero, amongst previous recipients of the World's Children's Prize. <ref>https://www.kungahuset.se/english/archive/news/2022-05-23-the-queen-presents-the-decade-child-rights-hero-award#:~:text=On%2023%20May%2C%20The%20Queen,the%20Decade%20Child%20Rights%20Hero.</> <ref>https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/anti-child-marriage-crusader-ashok-dyalchand-wins-swedish-award/article65457620.ece Kakaotolv (talk) 12:53, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

 Done Thank you very much! —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 15:02, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

References

Youngest ever Pakistani Fellow appointed at Oxford

On April 23, Linacre College, Oxford, which works very closely with the Oxford Pakistan Partnership, awarded Malala with an Honorary Fellowship. She is the youngest individual to receive an Honorary Fellowship at any Oxford College since at least 2000 (of this I'm certain, but I'm still doing research to find out when the last youngest honorary fellow was) and Linacre College's first Pakistani Fellow.

Taking into account her loyalty towards the University, I think this appointment should be headlined in the introduction - perhaps after the sentences about graduating from Lady Margaret Hall. Hankylord1 (talk) 11:47, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Sentence fragment

The current text is "On 9 October 2012, while on a bus in Swat District after taking an exam, Yousafzai and two other girls were shot by a Taliban gunman in an assassination attempt to target her for her activism; fleeing the scene." Following the semicolon, we have a grammatically incorrect sentence fragment. Would someone with editing access rectify this? 2601:2C3:400:EB0:451D:54BE:EA63:D9CA (talk) 00:18, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Done. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 01:55, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 June 2023 for Portrait change

could the following image File:Malala Yousafzai at Girl Summit 2014.jpg be used instead of the existing one for its superior quality and focus? Captioned "Yousafzai at Girl Summit 2014" 49.185.149.109 (talk) 12:44, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Do you mean this one? . If so, they seem pretty similar in quality and view to me. The current one has the benefit of being 5 years newer and Yousafzai is at an age where there can be fairly significant changes in facial appearance in a short time Cannolis (talk) 18:00, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

Murder attempt description

It currently says that the bullet entered 18 inches from her left eye. I think this should be 1.8 inches. 2600:6C67:1100:124:FD5B:509F:29F9:D36F (talk) 18:42, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

The sentence I think you're referring to is: "Yousafzai was shot with one bullet, which travelled 18 inches (46 cm) from the side of her left eye, through her neck and landed in her shoulder." But 18 inches in that sentence isn't the distance between the bullet entry point and her eye, but the distance the bullet traveled inside her body before coming to a stop in her shoulder. If you're referring to something else, please specify. The Crab Who Played With The Sea (talk) 18:54, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Edit Request

Could anyone with editing permissions change the text that says in her native homeland to native district to save anyone from confusion? "Yousafzai is a human rights advocate for the education of women and children in her native homeland, Swat," — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aurution (talk • contribs) 06:14, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

"...50 leading Muslim clerics..."

What did they lead? Was it a parade? 142.126.192.215 (talk) 22:09, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2024

"She is youngest Nobel Prize laureate in history," to "She is the youngest Nobel Prize laureate in history," 2405:ACC0:1204:3BF3:689F:971C:BCA9:AFD1 (talk) 06:01, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

 Done Jamedeus (talk) 07:44, 19 April 2024 (UTC)