Talk:Malena Ernman

I don't know whether to reference this in the article or not

I just stumbled across this video and it was my first introduction to Malena Ernman. When I viewed some of her work, I couldn't believe it was the same person. She is fantastic.

But, check this out: http://www.wimp.com/bumblebeeflight/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alweiss (talk • contribs) 23:57, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

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Naming of non notable living children/relatives

I believe it's against wikipedia policy to name living relatives, especially minors, on account of privacy concerns. So I've removed the name of one of the children from the wikipedia page; I see that the edit has been reversed? Should this be corrected? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueberryfiddles (talk • contribs) 21:27, 22 December 2019 (UTC)

• I also think that the mention of Greta Thunberg should be removed from the lead because this person is having article since 2009 and her notability does not depend on being mother of Greta Thunberg. @JimRenge: your mischaracterization of my constructive edit is problematic. Can you provide how your revert does not violate WP:UNDUE? Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 15:00, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

I already explained to you that WP:UNDUE is about neutrality and not making mountains out of molehills to skew the perspective. Noting that she is also the parent of a famous person doesn't meet this criteria. Please quote the relevant part of the guideline you believe is being violated instead of just repeatedly claiming it is being violated. Helper202 (talk) 15:08, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes and that is a problematic interpretation from you. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 16:32, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Georgethedragonslayer, "The lead serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important contents." (wp:lead) I think the fact that Malena Ernman is the mother of Greta Thunbergis important, and it does not appear to be undue weight to mention this fact in the lead. JimRenge (talk) 15:21, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

You are wrong about WP:LEAD. Lead is supposed to cover the points made in the article body and a single mention of being a mother of Greta Thunberg (which had no effect on her career) violates WP:LEAD.

WP:UNDUE says "Keep in mind that, in determining proper weight, we consider a viewpoint's prevalence in reliable sources, not its prevalence among Wikipedia editors or the general public."

Can you find me a single source before 2018 which talks about her only because she is mother of Greta Thunberg? If not, then you are just derailing Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 16:32, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

@JimRenge: Helper202 is a blocked sockpuppet so I don't think his edits and messages need to be counted for consensus building. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 17:31, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

I did have that account blocked and this one was too but now it isn't. Whether or not a person's account is blocked has no bearing on whether or not the policy quoted is valid. You don't have consensus and pretending you do isn't right. Notfrompedro (talk) 18:14, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

But still we don't count sock's edits. I can tell that just because you are unblocked, doesn't mean that you get to restore your disruptive edits that lack any consensus. Now instead of talking about your sockpuppetry, you need to need WP:UNDUE which says "Keep in mind that, in determining proper weight, we consider a viewpoint's prevalence in reliable sources, not its prevalence among Wikipedia editors or the general public." To make it ever more easier for you, I will ask again. Can you find me a single source before 2018 which talks about her only because she is mother of Greta Thunberg? If not, then you should avoid wasting others time. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 06:01, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

We aren't "voting" we are discussing. Nobody agrees with you that it doesn't belong in the lede and it was there for quite some time. Michael Douglas notes that his parents are Kirk Douglas and Diana Douglas. John Drew Barrymore notes that he was the father of John Blyth Barrymore and actress Drew Barrymore. It isn't WP:UNDUE as was already explained to you. Please don't edit war to push your own views. Notfrompedro (talk) 13:09, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Then why you are the lone edit warrior opposing me while 7 months have gone and everyone else has agreed? There is an entire Barrymore family where the degree of notability is alien to this subject. Michael Douglas would be finding it very difficult without his notable parents. Malena Ernman became notable decades before Greta got any coverage. You must refrain from making senseless WP:OTHERCONTENT argument. You need to read WP:IDHT since you are not listening to what is being told and this is why I would ask the same question again for 3rd time: Can you find me a single source before 2018 which talks about her only because she is the mother of Greta Thunberg? If not, then you should avoid wasting others time. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 14:40, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

JimRenge agreed that it was not undue weight. Nobody has agreed with you that it is. You don't get to claim consensus just because you believe yourself to be right. Notfrompedro (talk) 18:21, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

I agree with the fact that Ernman does not inherit notability from Greta Thunberg. Stop WP:STONEWALLING. TolWol56 (talk) 06:26, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Nobody claimed she did. WP:LEDE does not state that only claims of notability belong in the lede. We have birthdates, nationalities, etc. in the lede none of which have anything to do with the subject's notability. Notfrompedro (talk) 12:06, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

You certainly are, and also by being the lone edit warrior who is against the consensus version. Georgethedragonslayer (talk) 15:25, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

There is no consensus for removal which is why you edit warred over it back in September (violating 3RR), again in October and even now. First you claimed that it was undue. Both myself and JimRenge showed you that wasn't true. Then your argument became that nobody else had family in the lede. I showed that also wasn't true. Now you claim her daughter doesn't make her notable. Nobody has claimed her daughter makes her notable because notability isn't the only criteria for inclusion in the lede. Show me the section on this talk page where the consensus was for removal. Until then pick one argument and stick to it. Notfrompedro (talk) 18:56, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Can you move away from this frequent stonewalling? TolWol56 (talk) 03:21, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Stonewalling means refusing to communicate. I am communicating right here. WP:3O is always an option if George wants to keep claiming a consensus that doesn't actually appear to exist. Notfrompedro (talk) 12:26, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

It looks to me like Notfrompedro no longer exists as a user (and the entire above thread strongly suggests to me why). First, a meta-question, is that true (and considering the age of this conversation, can we call the entire thread above moot / delete it)?

And separately, I haven't seen an answer to my original question, but the article as it stands seems to support my edit. Can we just call this entire conversation complete and remove it from the page at this point? Blueberryfiddles (talk) 00:01, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

How long can an eleven-year-old survive without eating?

  In the “Personal life” section, I find this statement:

In August 2014, 11-year-old Greta suddenly stopped eating, talking, reading, or wanting to do anything. This condition lasted for several months until she was finally diagnosed with Asperger syndrome.

  I have to call solid digestive waste from a male bovine on the claim that she went for months without eating.  The source is in a foreign language, so I cannot verify what it says or evaluate how credible it is, but I simply do not believe that an eleven-year-old child went for months without eating, and survived without any obvious long-term harm.

  Does anyone have a source to support this claim that has any vestige of credibility or verifiability?

  I didn't think so. — Bob Blaylock (talk) 20:18, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Bob Blaylock: OK, I get it, you consider tackling climate change to be a threat to the 500 year world hegemony by straight white men. It isn't. And you look up on anything in foreign languages with suspicion. I'm here to help you. There's a little known tool called Google Translate which allows foreign (boo, hiss) languages to be translated into God's own English. Here's the translation of that foreign language source:

"[Greta] came home from school, did not want to eat, stopped talking, stopped reading, stopped wanting - simply stopped working. Smells, sounds, everything was magnified, hard and difficult. We were locked between the eating disorder unit and BUP, she lost weight and for a few months she was really bad. No one could do anything before she was stable in weight."

So the source doesn't say she stopped eating for several months, just that she did not want to eat, which happens to many people, particularly kids.--Obi2canibe (talk) 17:46, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

  As written, the article claims that she stopped eating, and implies that for several months, she did not eat.  Apparently, that's not what the source says.  By your translation of the source, what it really says is that she did not want to eat, implying that she did some times eat anyway.  There is a very significant difference between these two claims. — Bob Blaylock (talk) 18:10, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

As far as I know, "stopping" doing something doesn't necessarily mean stopping totally. The degree of stopping to be inferred depends on context and common sense. 151.177.58.208 (talk) 15:49, 14 November 2021 (UTC)