Talk:Malibu, California/Archive

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Pepperdine went out of its way to avoid being included when Malibu incorporated as a city. Why should it be included here? Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that Pepperdine is "adjacent" to Malibu. Will McW 22:08, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Bluffs

• In 2004, an attempt was made to demolish the Bluffs park (which was home to the Malibu Little League, which is older than Disneyland) and make a mall. The attempt was over-ruled by City Council, led by Jeff Jennings.

Can we get some confirmation for this? Is this the park across from Pepperdine? If so, I thought that it was a state park and the baseball players were eventually asked to leave as a non-complying use, or some similar reason, and that a land-swap or special lease was arranged to preserve the ball fields. Ah, in fact here it is, albeit from an involved politician:

• Little League Wins Before First Game is Played
• Part of the funding for the purchase of Soka came from a creative solution to the need of Malibu’s Little League and AYSO for permanent ballfields. For over 20 years, they have played on fields owned by the state at Bluffs Park in Malibu, but only on a temporary lease. Money was needed toward the purchase of Soka and the leagues needed a permanent home. State Parks Director Ruth Coleman put together a deal that will sell the roughly 10 acres of ball fields to the City of Malibu, and will deed restrict the other 93 acres which will be transferred to the Santa Monica Mountains Conservancy. The money from the sale of the fields to Malibu was an essential part of the purchase price of Soka. On Saturday, March 5, I was delighted to throw out the first pitch at the opening of Malibu Little League’s season. Hundreds of energetic players and their families were there, along with the entire Malibu City Council. I was ably supported in my pitch by Tommy Davis, a former star player with the Los Angeles Dodgers. This was a true win-win solution to a seemingly insoluble problem.http://democrats.assembly.ca.gov/members/a41/newsletter/AD41ENewsletterMar2005.pdf

I don't see any mention of a mall or Jeff Jennings. Let's see if we can summarize this complicated transaction intelligibly and correctly. -Will Beback 11:55, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

• Bluffs Park is too important not to highlight. I threw in some text plus several links and news links. Its like a microcosm of the city's history. State of California vs. the local guy. Cooperstown 22:24, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Martin Sheen

I work for a newspaper in Malibu. I know for a fact Martin Sheen never served on the City Council. Please remove that line.

Got it, thanks. I did find several sources which said that Sheen had been appointed, probably by the Chamber of Commerce, as "honorary mayor". I've added that, but if you have further info please correct it. Cheers, -Will Beback 20:36, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, you got it right. The chamber used to name an honorary mayor every year prior to incorporation.

Origin of name?

Malibu doesn't seem much like the native name, where did it come from? Was it just a bastardization of the original? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.191.211.54 (talk) 21:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

From what I understand, the name is pretty close to its original Chumash name. The first syllable of "Humaliwo" isn't stressed. Note similar placenames, "Mugu", "Chismahu", "Piru". -Will Beback · † · 23:22, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I had the same question. I clarified it in the article --AW 19:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Britney Spears

I thought I'd read that Britney Spears had moved to Tennessee? I might be wrong though, but if I'm not, she should be deleted from the list of famous residents. Jeremymiles 06:35, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

The lists of notable residents for most places include former residents. Given the nature of Malibu as a film colony I'd say we could easily delete the whole list because if we tried to make it comprehensive it'd be so long that it'd overwhelm the article. -Will Beback · † · 07:31, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

grammar cleanup?

Can anybody throw light on what this sentence is meant to mean?

"areas that in the past continuously moved in landslides that may be tens of thousands of years old - rumble to life after heavy rainfall"

clean up welcomed, cheers... --mgaved 12:59, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

No idea. I deleted it and re-wrote the other contributions by the same editor. -Will Beback · † · 20:18, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

The Malibu Colony

Shouldn't there be a link to an article about this area? The article doesn't explain what it is. I'm not even sure. I think it's a gated community tho? Where all the celebrities live? 24.60.66.216 00:59, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it's a gated community. It got its name because it was founded as an actor's "colony", and has always been the home of celebrities. It may be notable enough to have its own article. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 01:15, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

i think its certainly notable enough. it's curious, and interesting (and weird!) haha 24.60.66.216 06:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I updated & expanded this, with a link, albeit a bit cheesy. Sonial1t6 18:23, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Malibu Film Festival

This doesn't meet wiki standards. Before deleting, let's give the benefit of the doubt unless someone can elucidate. Maybe shed light on why this non-major business that is not held in Malibu is included here?

"Malibu Film Festival[17] was founded in 1997 by filmmaker David Katz to help independent filmmakers showcase their films to the film industry decision makers that call Malibu home. The festival is best known for its lavish parties and red carpet film premieres." Sonial1t6 19:11, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree that this Malibu Film Festival section appears to be spam advertising. It is marked for deletion unless someone can argue otherwise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.177.153.230 (talk) 19:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

A review was conducted on the correction to Malibu Film Festival. Also reviewed was the alleged business in name not function within the City of Malibu. This item meets the criteria for ad spam. Duly deleted. 71.177.153.230 14:41, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Per my talk page, I was admonished by an admin after I removed it and warned the editor that this is not spam. So I've put it back up. Smashville 17:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

It would be nice to have a film festival here, but we don't. The promoter wants to use Malibu's name. Too bad the city doesn't have copyrights.Cooperstown 22:26, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Heal the Bay

...is located in Santa Monica. It works to protect all of the beaches in Malibu. Singhalissa 03:45, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I added that the new water treatment facility is located within Malibu. Sonial1t6 02:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Pepperdine

Pepperdine had itself excluded itself from Malibu when the city was incorporated. Since it isn't in the city, does it deserve mention in the list of Malibu businesses? Are we including businesses in adjacent areas? If so, why? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 20:20, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

• As the only university in the Malibu area, Pepperdine deserves recognition. Plus its campus has been in Old Malibu for nearly 30 years. Many of the faculty & staff actually live in Malibu. Many of the students give back to the community. Many of the faculty & staff's children attend Malibu schools. Otherwise, it's like the big elephant that no one talks about in the room. Note that the issue about its requested exclusion from the city was addressed.

Sonial1t6 01:51, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

• Pepperdine has very good athletic teams. How about writing that up? I would but I don't go to games like I used to.Cooperstown 22:29, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Details about teams belong in the article on Pepperdine, not here. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Arts and culture

I added this but I'm confused whether or not to include Pepperdine's Smothers Theatre, esp with the objections raised above.Singhalissa 19:48, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I suppose that if we talk about culture in Malibu and adjacent areas then we'd be safe. In the same vein we might mention other nearby cultural centers, like the Getty Museum. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 20:00, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

FIRE !!!!

JUST HEARD ON THE NEWS THAT IT IS ON FIRE!!!! GO TO FOX NEWS AND CNN RIGHT NOW !!!! 65.163.112.205 (talk) 06:23, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Need a current event template here. Got one ?! 65.163.112.205 (talk) 06:24, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

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In Popular Media

Shouldn't "Two and a Half Men" be in? It is set in Malibu —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.193.204.116 (talk) 23:36, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Tornado in Malibu?

The tornado that struck on January 25th, 2008 was actually in Point Mugu, which is in Ventura County, and about 25 miles from Malibu. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.118.95.144 (talk) 06:45, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Demographics

The Demographics section is totally off, the racial make up percentages add up to over 105%. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.231.47.157 (talk • contribs)

Thanks for noticing. That's often the case with the demographics because the Latino category includes both Whites and non-Whites.   Will Beback  talk  22:55, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Notable residents

The list of notable residents has grown long and may grow even longer. Any objection to spinning it out into a separate article? Even Newton, Massachusetts has People from Newton, Massachusetts. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 20:17, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

How about sources first? - Mdsummermsw (talk) 20:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

It's uncommon to require sources for "notable residents" sections. I don't recall ever seeing a fully-sourced list. However, if you insist, that would mean cutting the list back to zero and starting over. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 23:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Considering how quickly the list has been growing, that wouldn't seem to be a meaningful problem, except that most of the additions are from anon IPs (not usually known for sourcing). In any event, you seem to be asking if it's OK to create an unsourced article. That is not an idea I can support. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 13:30, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

What's the differecent between an unsourced section and an unsourced article? How is this Malibu list different from the Newton list? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 19:45, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

The difference is that People from Newton, Massachusetts is another article that exists. Other stuff exists. (WP:ININ) - Mdsummermsw (talk) 20:17, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "is another article that exists". Why are the unsourced entries acceptable as a section but not as a stand-alone article? If it isn't acceptable maybe you should delete it. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 23:46, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

That People from Newton, Massachusetts is unreferenced is immaterial to this discussion. That any other article is unsourced or otherwise defective is not justification for starting another similarly unsourced article full of stuff that, gee, we think we heard somewhere might be true.

For the moment, I have tagged the section as needing sources. I might get around to a cleanup, I might not. If you would like to clean it up, feel free to do so, of course.

If/when I do start a cleanup, the first step will be to delete new unsourced additions as they come along and do simple searches for sources for the existing ones, deleting any I can't find easily. Any that anyone would like to add back are certainly welcome, so long as there is a cite. - Mdsummermsw (talk) 15:14, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

That can all be done just as easily if it's a standalone article. Based on my experience, spinning it off into a separate article will result in fewer additions, making it easier to source what's there. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 17:29, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

An anon came through and deleted the unsourced entries, leaving only one redlinked name that I deleted. It's not unreasonable to expect that any informaiton concerning living persons be cited. I suggest we make a practice of removing unsourced whenever they're added. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 23:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

So, what happened to the Notable Residents section? Oh, I see, it was summarily deleted. I don't see consensus established for that, certainly not above. I've restored it, and suggest references be added, especially for those who are not especially famous and generally known to live in Malibu. I mean, if the article about the person says they live in Malibu, there is no reason to put it here too. --Born2cycle (talk) 00:13, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Please find consensus first.   Will Beback  talk  00:15, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Any material about living people definitely needs ot be sourced.   Will Beback  talk  00:17, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Oh, please. That list was here for years and was removed without consensus. Why should I have to establish consensus to restore it?

If you think that rule applies to listing people on "notable residents" lists, then you have a lot of lists to delete. --Born2cycle (talk) 00:37, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

There was plenty of discussion here, and it resulted in no change, which is a consensus to not do anything. I'll slap it with a tag and come through again next month to delete the unsourced entries.   Will Beback  talk  01:12, 7 November 2009 (UTC)