Talk:Mandu (food)

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Merge with Jiaozi?

Gyoza were merged, so perhaps this too... --InfernoXV 10:38, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Don't give me that CPOV crap, Jiaozi is not the universal Asian dumpling. I'm really angry with how those Chinese nationalists have merged Gyoza & Mandoo (forgot that there was Mandu) & I made sure that they went back to their original states. Yeah, merged, but without discussion. (Wikimachine 04:54, 21 June 2007 (UTC))

Redundant articles?

Are Mandu and Mantı the same thing? If so, they should be merged. If they are different, then this article shouldn't list Mantı as a synonym in the first sentence. Something tells me it would start a nationalistic riot if we merged the two of them, so it might be better just to rewrite the intro to this article to remove Mantı as a synonym. It could still be mentioned along with the other regional varieties, or in a see also section. Anyone have an opinion on this? Kafziel ^Talk 17:30, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Nobody? Kafziel ^Talk 06:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree they should be merged. I don't know how high national feelings run here, but when I tried to merge döner kebab, gyros, and shawarma, the various national factions came out in force (see the Talk pages). Ridiculous, but that's life on the WP. --Macrakis 15:02, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't really understand the merger. Even if they are in some sense historically the same -- culinary cognates, if you will -- I don't see any indication that the modern Turkish and Korean implementations have that much in common. Surely complete and encyclopedic articles can be written about each. -- Visviva 05:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Seems like Korean mandu are usually fried (like Chinese jiaozi of Japanese gyoza), while the Mantı of Turkic peoples (from Kazakhstan to Uzbekistan to Turkey) are usually steamed (much like Chinese baozi). And the Chinese mantou are steamed, but usually are solid dough (but the mantou article says that in the south thet may have filling). So if the Mandu article is to be merged with something, it would be more logical to merge it with jiaozi; but keep the joined article would still need to have links to all related foods. But since we already have a separare article for every country / cooking type combination, it does not seem necessary to merge it into another article. Vmenkov 06:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

It looks like everyone is in agreement, at least insofar as saying that Manti isn't the same thing as Mandu. So the article shouldn't list it as a synonym; Manti has its own article, so that's fine. We don't need to list it as a synonym here. Kafziel ^Talk 06:57, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Follow-up: I've moved Mantı to the "see also" section. Kafziel ^Talk 07:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I guess I agree. Manti is more a "related" item, rather than synonim. It seems that right now at least 75% of this article's text is made of listing of related items :-) Vmenkov 07:01, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Steamed bread?

I'm not familiar with this use of the term mandu; whenever I see steamed bread for sale here in Korea, it's called jjinppang (찐빵). This Dusan/Naver Encyclopedia article doesn't mention this use either. Does anyone have a source? -- Visviva 05:33, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I've never heard of that, either. Kafziel ^Talk 13:59, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I've removed it for now. If a source turns up, we can always put it back. -- Visviva 16:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Mandu's name came from the Chinese word "mantou" which means "steamed bread". Mandu is not actually a steamed bread, but sometimes a "king-size mandu"'s shape looks like the Chinese steamed bread, so maybe that's where it comes from.

"Mantou" means many different things in different parts of China, and there are certainly some mantou that are very similar to mandu - for example, in the Jiangnan region of China, "mantou" (or local pronunciation thereof) also means various filled, steamed dumpling-liked articles - see for example xiaolongbao. Mantou#Variations in meaning outside northern China has a good explanation of the history and regional variations of the term. Rather than the Korean term evolving to mean something different, most likely it was the development of the new term "baozi" in northern China that meant that "mantou" changed its meaning in northern China to something different to how the related terms are used in other parts of Asia, including southern China. --62.189.73.197 (talk) 18:28, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone have any clue what this phrase means?

Koreans use double-typed pan - pour water. What on earth? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dwbird2 (talk • contribs) 14:56, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

me is korean i am sorry ip-user i think double-typed-pan is a bowl of include small bowl for a steamed food lower bowl fiiled water, boil off, and steamed-up by upper bowl meal sorry poor english —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.253.98.34 (talk) 06:56, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

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Etymology and history

@Ephemform and Capitals00: Hello! The etymology section explains well how Chinese mantou is a cognate but doesn't have meat fillings unlike Korean mandu, so it is not necessary to repeat the same content again in the history section. How mantou lacks meat fillings is rather irrelevant there. It is also rather incorrect to say that Mongolians of the Mongol Empire were from North China. The Yuan dynasty alone was much bigger that what we now call North China. (See File:Yuen Dynasty 1294 - Goryeo as vassal.png). --Maumivi (talk) 10:23, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

I am aware of how large the Mongol Empire was as I am of Mongol descent myself. I only reverted the edit that mentioned North China because the citation in the article (https://terms.naver.com/entry.nhn?docId=1091325&cid=40942&categoryId=32136) supports such an origin for mandu and there is no mention about Mongols or the Yuan Dynasty. Rather it says mandu came around after the Empire. But I didn't remove the Mongol part because there is the possibility that they were the ones to transport it over to Korea. Although I have not found anything to support it. Would appreciate it if you could find some references. Ephemform (talk) 12:22, 18 September 2018 (UTC)