Talk:Manifold (automotive)/Archive 1

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RAM

Could someone explain, why is this page linked to from RAM? --ZeroOne 21:37, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It was someone's idea to link from "ram", methinks, as in "ram-air". I'll kill it. --SFoskett 17:24, Nov 15, 2004 (UTC)

That's right. The ram air intake is one method of increasing the power output of the engine. It just forces more air into the intake so that there can be more complete combustion and so that more fuel can also be injected. It's a bit different from supercharging and turbocharging because supercharging uses the engine to pump more air into itself while turbocharging uses the exhaust fumes to pump the air. --TChak 09:24, Dec 2, 2004 (EST)

Can anyone suggest what can cause the Intake Manifold to Crack?

Intake? Or Exhaust? Exhausts crack when cold water drips on them when they are hot. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.232.48.168 (talk) 16:20, 5 January 2007 (UTC).

Etymology

Where did the idea that "manifold" means "hand-shaped'? come from? Manifold, as an adjective, means "consisting of or operating many of one kind combined." It comes from Old English "manigfeald" - (manig-many, feald-fold) (def. and etymology from Mirriam Webster's College Dictionary, 10th ed.). It's been used for ages as an adjective, for things that bear absolutely no resemblance to a hand of any sort (a manifold bell-pull, for instance - a single cord that rings several bells in different parts of a house; a manifold pipe would be a pipe that delivers or drains water to or from many parts of a house).

The terms arose in their present form as engines began featuring devices called "manifold intakes" and "manifold exhausts." In other words, an intake that services more than one cylinder, and an exhaust that services more than one cylinder. As engines developed, and engineers and mechanics got their hands on the jargon, "manifold intake" and "manifold exhaust" became "intake manifold" and "exhaust manifold," respectively. Hands (other than the hands that can get burned when you touch a hot exhaust header) have nothing to do with it.

Exactly! I hunted for ages to find my wikipedia login name to say exactly the same thing. Otherwise the Bible's mentioning of the "manifold wisdom of God" would be rather hilarious. I'm going to BE BOLD and make the edit. - Robg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Robg (talk • contribs).

I agree with (or at least acknowledge) most everything in this section, but the article says something about folded bits, which is IMHO an error. --Kjoonlee 16:01, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Best material?

What is the best material to build an exhaust manifold out of? For heat dissapation & longevity, etc. Would this be cast iron, steal, ceramic coated etc? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.70.196.23 (talk) 04:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Did someone just remove the "manifold is gay" below the intro? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.89.168.64 (talk) 05:54, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

New pic

1 Ram-air intake, 2 Air filter, 3 mass flow sensor, 4 butterfly valve, 5 air box, 6 intake runners, 7 intake valve, 8 piston, 9 exhaust valve, 10 extractor pipe, 11 collector, 12 catalytic converter, 13 muffler

First, what is this a picture of? It looks like a jet engine to me. If that's the case it doesn't belong here. If it applicable to the article please give a brief intro in the caption so others aren't confused like me. Second, why is it in the see also section?? If it get's put back in please place it in an appropriate spot. Wizard191 (talk) 23:48, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Quite. This bizarre drawing has nothing to do with the subject of this article (nor any of the many other articles you posted it in), and even if it did, it certainly doesn't belong in the see also section. Arnero (talk · contribs), basically you spammed a random, spurious image across multiple articles, apparently because you're so proud of having created the drawing that you want it to be on Wikipedia in as many articles as possible. We don't do that here. This what you did falls somewhere in the range between vandalism and article ownership, neither of which is allowed. I found it extremely difficult to assume good faith on your part, but I managed to scrape up enough faith not to tag the removals of your image as vandalism cleanup...this time. —Scheinwerfermann (talk) 02:18, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

This image depicts the airflow through an internal combustion engine. It's vaguely related to the Manifold (automotive) article, as the manifold is one of the parts depicted in the diagram. However, the diagram erroneously labels the intake manifold as the "air box." Additionally, the diagram is confusing and does not make use of any standard automotive engineering symbols. Arnero (talk · contribs) has made several similar sub-standard contributions to the article, that I have slowly fixed. I believe all of these modifications were made with positive intentions, but perhaps without the necessary editorial skill. —MrKowasaki (talk) 04:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

This image does not depict anything, least of all an internal-combustion engine. It is a poor-quality attempt at a schematic, wholly dependent on extensive labelling to convey its nominal image. I agree there's nothing wrong with the concept of an image such as this, showing the various parts air flows through on its way into and out of an IC engine, but this kind of poor-quality image just won't do. An animated image would be most preferable, I think, since we are dealing with airflow induced by the operation of the engine. I can think offhand of two editors who have a history of creating high-quality, clear illustrations; I'll ask if either or both of them would be interested in tackling this idea. —Scheinwerfermann (talk) 18:37, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the above comments. This picture, in its current state, is more confusing than helpful. I think that a good quality picture would be helpful, but I think the one here is beyond hope. (BTW...thanks Scheinwerfermann for cleaning up all of the other articles!) Wizard191 (talk) 18:51, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I wanted it to compare this engine, which has a high power density and can breathe freely:

Arnero (talk) 20:59, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Mistake?

Under Exhaust manifold the article says
This low pressure pulls the cylinder upwards and leaves behind a vacuum in the cylinder, which sucks in fresh air for free when the intake valve opens.
I don't know much about these things, but is it really the cylinder, and not the piston, that is pulled upwards?

Should it perhaps read
This low pressure pulls the piston upwards and leaves behind a vacuum in the cylinder, which sucks in fresh air for free when the intake valve opens.? --213.112.167.92 (talk) 21:25, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Good god. This article is a mess. You're right that "low pressure pulls the cylinder upwards" was wrong, but so is "low pressure pulls the piston upwards". I've extensively cleaned up the exhaust manifold section, clarifying befuddled and contradictory explanations, consolidating multiple redundancies, applying reasonable grammatic and syntactic standards, and otherwise getting a start at whipping this article into shape. Much additional cleanup work is needed. —Scheinwerfermann (talk) 23:05, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

ups. That comes from writing after work... ToDo: Synergy with 2-valve techniques, like in Honda, Porsche and BMW engines. Originally it was written like: Just turn of the valve .. it is not thaat easy, but it seems to work. How does an exhaust collector work? 180° dual plane V8 intakes, 90° header for crossplane V8. Butterfly valve in exhaust pipe switching length: Jaguar V type, Ferrari F50. Valve in Corvette 2008. Y-pipes for V6. Resonance in the pipe following. This pipes ends in a large volume in the muffler, otherwise no Helmholtz-resonance. So the first part of the muffler is not really a muffler, but a resonance cavity. Difference between 4-2-1 headers and 4-1 headers. 12-4-2 header. even firing. Noise emission for car: 76 dB(A). Two intakes for V12 and two exhausts increase noise, for example in the air mass sensor. Weight and efficiency of a good intake and exhaust compared to more displacement. Pressures in the pipes compared to pressures in the cylinder. Buggati Vyron: 16-4-2-1 exhaust Arnero (talk) 21:14, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Arnero, I'm glad to see an "oops" from you, but I'm not sure you understand or acknowledge the extent of the problems you have been making. Your contributions to this article have made it very challenging for me to assume you are editing in good faith; you have repeatedly added totally unsupported, largely unsupportable assertions that seem to be little more than expressions of your misinformed guesses about how the systems in question actually function. You have frequently and repeatedly been asked by many editors to stop it, and you've been pointed at WP:V and WP:RS and WP:CITE. Please think very carefully before you make additional changes; you are being quite disruptive, and that's simply not okay. We don't do that here. —Scheinwerfermann (talk) 22:16, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, maybe I am more a user than an editor. When I first stumbled across this article it seemed in a very infant shape. I did not match what others (manufacturers, HowStuffWorks, aftermarket criticizers ... ) say about intake manifolds. It still does not. Additionally the article may need sources, but it is not logical. It throws a number of facts onto the reader, which can only be memorized. There are still no numbers (pressure/Pa). And what does "by the siphoning effect " mean? We are not talking about gravity here. This is great nonsense. It is not like the physics is so obscure, after all the two-stroke engine article explains it pretty well, without "scavenging" or "siphoning". Still no numbers on valve overlap, difference between 2-stroke and 4 stroke engines.

begin{Brainstorming} Port injection and swirlers are common. NEVER are they placed before the intake runners, though the throttle body is there.

Engines need more loading at higher revs. So compression may be set to suit a filling of 1 at idle, because friction is then very low. Starting from there the increasing friction must be overcompensated by induction. Friction and induction go like RMP^2, so it should work.

DeTuning the intake to higher frequencies acts like a throttle, only more fuel economic.

4-valve engines have low torque at low RPM if not supported by a large (diamter) more sophisticated intake (resonant) and exhaust manifold.

Swirl: Barrel rotation in the cylinder: Gas is passed by hot exhaust valves help to evaporate fuel. Upon moving the piston upwards this rotation is squeezed leading to large sher flow which then breaks up into turbulence. The intake valves and the cylinder are responsible for the swirl. The knock sensor is responsible for high torque and fuel efficiency. The intake manifold just has to supply a lot high pressure air.

The header pipe starts with a cross sectional area, which is so small that the flow just doesn't get supersonic. After 1/3 of the header length the diameter is increased in a short conical section and after ½ of the header opens into a long conical section, which is called diffuser or megaphone. By this conical arrangement the short head of the exhaust pulse is converted into a reflected, long, flat, low pressure pulse. In two-stroke engines the exhaust pipe converges again to produce a high pressure pulse, in four-stroke engines the unreflected frequency components of the pulse are emitted. Thus such a header is very loud and called a megaphone if not ending in a muzzler with a large inlet flange and a small outlet flange.

High performance engines used on dragsters or WWII fighters use zoomies. In other applications they use too much space and weight to much and header pipes are collected into one slightly bigger pipe. For this, the header pipes are aligned parallel to each other. In the first part of the following s turn the flow is pressed to the walls by centrifugal forces and does not enter the other header pipes. The pipe after the collector has a larger cross section to safely collect all flow. Any sound wave traveling back from the collectors pipe is directed into the header pipe with the then largest flow

Typically this collector has minimal internal volume and generates a turbulence free flow. The step in diameter from the header pipe to the collector pipe leads to the reflected negative pressure pulse. Any reflection after the collector are divided into all header pipes and thus to a great part imping on closed exhaust valves and are as such wasted. Therefore even in more complicated collectors like 12-4-2-1 or 8-4-1 the piping after the first collector is simply optimized for low back pressure steady flow. Still the small part getting back into the right tube is within the philosophy of the megaphone. And it is possible to excite a standing wave in the whole manifold, and the Ferrari F50 and the Jaguar V-type use a butterfly valve to tune the frequency onto the engine revs.

Scavenging is for large valve overlap in race engines. It is not used in street cars and not the reasons, why sporty street cars have extraction pipes. Brainstorming{end} Sources: valve timing turbulence exhaust collector 4 valves effect on induction 4-valves effect on induction swirl I hope the article gets some flesh to the bones and gets physically correct. bye Arnero (talk) 12:08, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

And since this article is lacking sources, here are some more

helmholtz describes intake and exhaust. Air fuel separation in turns. In a well tuned intake system there can be as high as 7psi of air pressure at the intake valve. exhaust creates thrust exhaust creates thrust resonance intake plenum and valvetronic resonance intake plenum exhaust megaphone megaphone after collector exhaust megaphones continous variable length intake stepped headers variable length intake trumpets exhaust pressure measured cylinder pressure cylinder pressure flap at port after runner laminar flow laminar flow Arnero (talk) 18:05, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

New and hopefully coherent version for the intake manifold

New and hopefully coherent version for the intake manifold

Intake manifold In high performance engines the intake runners come from a 45° relative to the cylinder axis. The design of the valves, their seats and the head is complicated, but for the time being this can be simplified to a passage with non-varying cross sectional area which abruptly ends in the cylinder. The abrupt end is due to the fact that half of the pressure in the runner is used to pressurize the cylinder and the other half is used to generate a swirl. The rest of the intake manifold is streamlined like a wind instrument and swirls are avoided. For example the beginning of the runners is bell shaped and thus avoids sharp edges which would spoil the flow. Even sophisticated intake runners cannot replace (but supplement) compressors or turbos in terms of cylinder filling, but they allow to run the engine with a later intake valve closing. This means that a larger part of the air is taken in just before compression. And this means that the hot walls have less time to heat the charge before compression which directly and indirectly increases efficiency. It also means that viscosity has less time to dampen out the swirl before the ignition. Intake runners are quite long and therefore are often wound up. Measurements and calculations show that in the first half along the runner the boundary layer is very thin and only at the end a parabolic velocity profile emerges. For turns near the end that means that the faster central flow is centrifuged through the slower outer flow. This complicates the flow and leads to increased friction. At the very end this is no argument any more because the splitter in 4 valve engines and the valve stems protrude into the fast flow region anyway.

In many engines all intake runners begin in a single large plenum (or in free atmosphere). At the intake stroke (and sometimes during valve overlap) the cylinder applies low pressure to the end of the intake runner. This low pressure travels as a sound wave to the beginning of the intake runner. The beginning of the runner has bell shape, which tries to open the runner as abruptly as possible for maximum reflection of the highest frequencies and not too abruptly to not spoil the (steady) flow. For maximum openness the bell lip spirals back over 360° and the bell protrudes into the plenum. In most engines neighbouring bells fire at different times, thus the neighbouring bells effectively add openness at the cost of some small interference. Thin runner walls add openness. The reflected sound wave is a high pressure wave. The high pressure hits the intake valve at the lower dead centre of the piston.

To match the timing to the engine speed, telescoping intake runners were used in many race engines. The two parts of the telescope are sealed to each other stiffly and air-tightly by an O-ring. It has to withstand continuous pressure fluctuations of up to 0.5 atmospheres without wear. A sort of bent telescope is sometimes placed into the Vee of V-engines. Collision with the engine block and the inertia of flow in the beginning and the end of intake runner limit the tuning range. In engines designed for street use there exists a bent telescope where one part peels of before colliding with the engine block (BMW), which has quite large seals and suffers from the strong sound wave because it is not composed of tubes and cones, but half open groves. Or rotary valves are used to tune in steps like in a modern trumpet. It may be noted that in case of the rotary valve typically a part of the low pressure wave continues to travel through the intake runner. This leads to a small delayed high pressure reflex, but strengthens the correctly timed first reflex. A flute uses the same principle and a plenum leads to various spurious reflexes anyway. Close the rotary valve the runner has a D-shaped cross section with a slightly larger area. It then smoothly turns around the cylindrical side of moveable part of the valve to achieve streamlining in the closed state. The other side is of a spiral shape to generate a streamlined Y connection combining the rest of the runner and the central plenum. The O-ring circles around the exposed cylindrical part in such a way that neither in the fully open or fully close state it disturbs the flow. The flow only has to overcome small seams between the moveable and fixed part. A partly opened valve leads to friction in the small gap. Therefore this state needs to be passed as fast as possible. The rotary valve has the advantage that it can speed up in rotational speed, then the O-ring leaves the seal face and the valve opens, then it opens even more and friction decreases, then the rotary valve slows down, and finally stops at the fully open position. This sudden valve activation may confuse a carburettor, the control loop for the catalytic converter and the driver (something “kicks” in). The rotary valve does not provide the abrupt opening of a straight telescope on a race engine, but relative to the total length of the runner the opening is abrupt enough.

The pressure applied by the cylinder decreases with engine speed (for a fixed engine). If the pressure is below 0.9 times the atmospheric pressure the returned pressure of over1.1 times the atmospheric pressure is noticeable in the torque curve. Pressures cannot drop below 0, but before this happens the velocities in the runners already get supersonic reducing the efficiency anyway (it is said the intake does not “flow” at high engine speeds). Tight runners produce high pressure fluctuation at low engine speed, but do not flow at high speeds. Wide runners have no effect at low engine speeds, but flow at high engine speeds. Therefore in some engines two runners exist and a rotary valve close to engine connects either one to the engine header. At the end of the tight runner for low engine speed the radius is tapered (streamlining!) to match the high flow engine header. 4 valve engines with VTEC (Honda) or with cylinder deactivation can deactivate one of their intake valves. At low engine speeds one intake valve is active and connected to a tight long intake runner. At higher engine speeds the second intake valve is activated (VTEC “kicks in” close to maximum power RPM) and in conjunction with a rotary valve at the first intake valve both intake valves are then connected to a wide short runner. The advantage to the solution without valve deactivation is that this keeps the cross sectional area constant. Short and long runners end in the same plenum. Spurious reflections from deactivated runners are weak enough to dispense with a valve at the beginning of the runners. A valve which opens one runner and closes the other is too big to be practically and therefore two valves are used. Then on could instead tune the tight runner saving some space and weight and costing some friction.

In many engines groups of three to five intake runners share a common sub-plenum. All sub-plenums have a runner to the main plenum. All, the main and sub-plenums, are smaller than the plenum in a single plenum design. Therefore only a part of the sound wave is reflected at the end of the cylinder runner. The other part is transmitted into the intake runner of the sub-plenum travelling up to the main plenum. The reflex from the main plenum travels back. It is too weak to be significant for the cylinder. But there is another effect to consider. The intake valve closes before the pressure in the intake runner drops to atmospheric pressure to ensure swirl generation to the very end or at least to prevent charge in the boundary layer to flow back out of the cylinder or significant portions of the charge to flow back as this means friction. Thus even when the valve is close there are sound waves in the runner. In other words: Like in a wind instrument the intake manifold can oscillate. If it takes 90° of the crank angle for the oscillation to go from low pressure to high pressure, at the low pressure point of time the piston pulls air out of the tube moving down fastest and at the highest pressure point of time the air pushes into the cylinder when the piston is at bottom dead centre. So for every crank rotation there are two oscillation and for every ignition there are four oscillations. If four cylinders are grouped together, there is one oscillation for every ignition, how nice! If three cylinders are grouped, the opening of the intake valve needs to be longer or the oscillations needs to be driven by the flow during the valve overlap. If five cylinders are grouped, the intake valve needs to close early. If an engine does have only four cylinders a second dummy plenum can be used, though it works only half as good and needs the same space like in an eight cylinder engine. The oscillation consist of alternating pressure oscillations in the sub-plenums and a velocity oscillation through the main plenum. The velocity oscillation in the main plenum does not radiate through the main runner. This means the flow at the throttle plate and the air amount sensor and the air filter is constant and no intake noise can be heard. For this reason 4 cylinder engines roar through their intake while engines with more cylinders are dominated by their exhaust note. Looking from a more abstract position, the lack of intake noise means that no power is lost. Due to streamlining it is ensured that power loss due to friction is significantly smaller than the overall power involved. If the intake manifold would be in resonance with the engine speed, all power would go into the intake manifold and it goes supersonic or so. If the engine speed is a bit below resonance, still a lot of power goes into the intake manifold to support high amplitude oscillations, but the relative phase is as such that the intake manifold gives back most of the power at the bottom dead centre.

A tube has many resonances at evenly spaced frequencies. Thus, when scanning through all engine speeds, the power would go up and down and the mean efficiency would drop. The more complicated structure with the sub-plenums has a lowest resonances, which is at a far lower frequency than the next higher resonance. Thus in principle the resonance can be set below idle speed and then up 3000 RPM at least no negative effects are observed. For tuning telescoping runners like in the V-engines or trombone like runners could be used (in principle). Porsches flat-6 employs a second runner directly connecting both sub plenums. In the centre is a butterfly valve to deactivate it. Note that it is luck that a butterfly valve can be used here because a butterfly valve is easier (smaller electric motor) to operate than a rotary valve, but unlike in the throttle application it has to be perfectly airtight here. On opening the butterfly the resonance is shifted to higher frequencies. In straight-6 engines the three intake runners of the cylinders are continued on the other side of each sub-plenum to guarantee equal flow to all cylinders. Like in the Porsche flat six a butterfly valve can be opened to connect the sub-plenums directly (BMW and Nissan). Due to the general layout this second runner is shorter than in the flat-6 and the butterfly valve dominates friction and there is not enough space for a venturi. Regarding packaging the sub-plenums allow a low friction bent (Porsche flat-6 and Mercedes and Ferrari 60° V12 engines, where straight runners criss cross, but all finally end at a single throttle plate). The cylinder pitch is about twice the runner diameter. Thus in V-engines the runners from both planes can be interlaced and then lie next to each other without any gap. In straight engines “package pressure” forces intake runners into a fan layout, which means that each runners hits the cylinder at a different angle.

Arnero (talk) 10:13, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid I definitely cannot support the inclusion of this proposed text in the article. It appears to be 100% original research; there's not a single bit of support provided, and while you obviously have a great deal of passion and interest in this topic, we have to stick to Wikipedia's standards of verifiability and requirement that questionable statements be supported from reliable sources. Furthermore, some of the statements you make are beyond just questionable. —Scheinwerfermann ^T·_C14:15, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Exhaust manifold

Exhaust manifold

From each exhaust valve an exhaust pipe, the so called header starts. From the valve to the end of the header the cross section constantly increases. This is called taper. In the motor block the cross section is quite small. The external header pipe is bigger. The merger between the pipe from two exhaust valves in 4-valve cylinders leads to a larger cross section. Some formula 1 headers have an almost step-like cross section increase somewhere in the middle. After one third of the header two-stroke headers increase their cross section by a factor of 5. In snowmobiles, with their 3 cylinders, these three large headers take up most of the space under the hood. In 2-stroke engines the header converges again before the end, while in four-stroke engines the header diverges all the way to the end. When the exhaust valve opens, the high temperature and high pressure gas pushes down the header. With full throttle in a Otto-engine the pressure is about 5 atmospheres and thus does not lead to a simple sound wave, but to a supersonic shock wave. At a certain point of time the gap between the valve and its seat is large enough for friction to be not so significant and small enough for a clear cross section increase after the gap. Then the valve forms a De Laval nozzle, where the gasses are accelerated to supersonic speeds so that they can fill the space behind the shock wave. Due to friction on the walls a boundary layer builds up, effectively narrowing the pipe. The taper compensates for this. Turns lead to stationary oblique shock waves in the flow behind the main shock and threaten the flow to go subsonic. The taper also compensates for this. The expansion of the hot gases deliver the energy needed to compensate the friction on the walls. Some degrees after BDC the cylinder is depleted and the pressure is so low that everything goes subsonic. This process leads to the short high pressure exhaust pulse, which can be heard from the engine. The taper leads to many tiny reflected low pressure pulses, which add up and lead to a constant sub atmospheric pressure (0.9 times) at the exhaust valve for the rest of the exhaust stroke.

In a single cylinder engine and in some multiple cylinder engines all headers just end in the atmosphere. Each pulse shoots out of the header like in a rocket. WWII fighters and dragsters use this thrust. Dragsters shoot slightly upwards to also generate some down force. Even when the flow goes subsonic it forms a jet, meaning it shoots mostly straight out of the pipe and does not diverge in all directions as a sound wave would. This means that there is no perfection reflection at the end of the pipe. Pipe ends like in a trumpet have been tried but rejected. It may be that such a perfect reflection is not that important or desirable. Still the high pressure gas expands after the pipe creating effectively taper and leading to a reflection of a low pressure pulse. At the trailing edge of the pulse the pressure drops below atmospheric pressure. Then the still high velocity gases shoot into the air without any reflections and waste their kinetic energy in friction. When the pressure drops below the pressure of the air the taper collapses and the gas rams against the atmosphere and finally everything can be described as sound ways.

The flat reflection due to the pipe taper pulls up the piston. With four-stroke engines the single strong pulse due the end of the pipe can be used to scavenge the cylinder at TDC. Note that in modern 4-stroke engines the volume at TDC is just 1/12 of the displacement. Therefore scavenging in 4-stroke engines is at most 1/12 as important as in 2-stroke engines. 2-stroke engine scavenge the cylinder and pull up the piston at the same time. In the middle of the compression stroke charge is pushed back into the cylinder by the high pressure pulse of the convergent part of the header to increase the fill factor.

Headers with smaller diameter need more time to empty the cylinder at BDC, thus the exhaust pulse gets longer. A short exhaust pulse means that maximum pressure is applied to the piston all the way down to the BDC and the exhaust stroke starts with minimum pressure. A long exhaust pulse leads to a long reflected pulse, which leads to longer and lower pressure during the exhaust stroke. Thus an ideal cross section exists for the header at the exhaust valve (for a given displacement, RPM etc).

Most multi-cylinder engines merge their headers into one pipe. This piece of metal is called the collector. This may be due to packaging, weight, thermal reasons, and to avoid fabrication of tapered headers. Still formula 1 cars and some dragsters use collectors (while WWII fighters do not). In a collector two to five pipes merge into a slightly bigger one. The exhaust pulse shoots out of one pipe, jumps over the opening of the other into the exhaust pipe. Since the header pipes aim at the collector pipe no pressure is pulse goes up the other header pipe. Rather some gas is dragged along and a low pressure pulse goes up the other headers. This is a non-resonant effect and leads to low pressure over a broad range of RPM. To collect all gas the collector pipe needs to start with a large cross section. Typically this leads locally to too much taper. Therefore the collector pipe starts with a convergent section. Exhaust pulses which are longer than the collector then average over the divergent and convergent section and feel a constant taper.

If more than three headers are collected the headers are arranged in a circular fashion so that the low pressure wave travels up the headers adjacent in the firing sequence. 6 cylinder engines typically collect like 6,2,1. 10 cylinder engines collect like 10,2,1. For many cylinders, thin equal-length headers, even firing order, and high RPM the exhaust pulses add up to a constant flow after the collector. For all other cases waves travel down the collector pipe and are reflected at the end leading to resonances. If the RPM is below the resonance, the pressure at the exhaust stroke is minimal. But luckily also on and even above resonance the pressure is reduced.

Race headers are tuned for the RPM of maximum power. For street cars the header diameter is tuned for midrange RPM and the length is tuned above redline to reduce the overall size of the headers. The collector pipe is tuned to about 2000 RPM. The taper and the blunt end of the collector pipe weaken and broaden this resonance. The overall effect is that above 1500 RPM at valve overlap the pressure at the exhaust valve is below the pressure at the intake valve so that exhaust gasses do not flow back into the intake manifold.

Arnero (talk) 12:06, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Arnero, I'm not sure if the above is proposed text or what, but if it is, I cannot support it for the same reason I cannot support your proposed intake manifold text: It appears to be little more than original research mixed with guesses and opinions and assumptions; there's not a single bit of support provided, and while you obviously have a great deal of passion and interest in this topic, we have to stick to Wikipedia's standards of verifiability and requirement that questionable statements be supported from reliable sources. Furthermore, some of the statements you make are beyond just questionable. Also, we don't use words like "luckily" in an encyclopædia article. You have been getting this kind of reaction to your edits for a long time, and not just from me nor just in this article. Please give some thought not just to what you're doing, but how you're doing it. —Scheinwerfermann ^T·_C16:37, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

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