Talk:Mansard roof

Transportation Section

Is that section of any relevance to this topic? RoyalBlueStuey (talk) 10:56, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Apartments

Why isn't this article about mansard apartments like the German one? 83.76.235.229 (talk) 12:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

In English, the word for a mansard apartment is a garret (not "mansard apartment"). Charvex (talk) 00:55, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Ohio Mansard roof?

Second Empire style Mansard roof in a county jail in Mount Gilead, Ohio. This is NOT a 'Mansard roof'........

• Why do you say that? Notinasnaid 08:07, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

It most certainly IS a mansard roof. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mount-gilead-ohio-jail.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.240.146.135 (talk) 04:33, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

But *is* it? You can't actually see the upper slopes of the roof-- it could be completely flat. Having two slopes/pitches on each side is part of the definition of a mansard roof.

Marquetry28 (talk) 08:28, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Merger

Agree with merge of Mansard with Mansard roof - features a vertical window in a secondary roof in the sloping side of the main roof - not to be confused with skylight..... See examples: (Alastair Noble 18:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)).

Gambrel roof

It could be argued that a gambrel roof presents more usable interior space than a mansard. 68.150.132.36 (talk) 21:03, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it could be argued that a gambrel roof has slightly more interior volume than a mansard roof because the sloping roofline is on two sides, rather than four. Charvex (talk) 01:09, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Taxes by the story?

I have heard that taxes in France were levied by the number of stories, and the use of a Mansard roof made it possible to have another story without being taxed for it. Any truth to this possibility? --DThomsen8 (talk) 13:11, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

No, building taxes in France were historically based on the number of windows and exterior doors in a structure. Since mansard roofs had additional windows in them, taxes on these structures were higher. However, the owner benefited by turning previously unusable space (a lightless attic) into livable space for little additional construction cost. Charvex (talk) 00:48, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Pizza Hut image

I am removing the photo of Pizza Hut. Its roof is a take-off on Southern Creole, or perhaps Polynesian-style architecture. It is not a Mansard roof because it does does have a gambrel-style double-slope with the lower slope being steeper than the upper (e.g. Princeton Univ. Wordnet: mansard), nor is the lower slope punctuated with windows creating a garret that has additional habitable space - a requirement for any architectural design, even a bad modern parody, called "mansard." Charvex (talk) 08:22, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Modern Use section

I am also removing the (short) "Modern Use" section, with descriptions of McDonalds roof design in the text. I completely read the through the three sources and none of the three describes the McDonalds' roof as a mansard design, although the word "mansard" is mentioned in passing in one of them out of context. (The McDonalds design also is a parody Southern Creole style. It does not have a gambrel slope.) Please read text of citations more carefully before citing them. Thank you. Charvex (talk) 08:37, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

[1].--Father Goose (talk) 05:00, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Father Goose: Thank you for your reference. However, what Mr. Miller calls a "double mansard" is a poor colloquialism and seems to be a personal nickname for a « double-hip parapet roof » since it is qualified by quote marks in the text. --- What, I ask, does he think makes the McDonalds mansard « double »? Is it because the gambrel roof is inverted inside-out, changing the convex angle into a concave angle? And more to the point, why does he use the term "mansard" at all? Do McDonalds workers make their hamburgers inside the roof's garret, above the main floor, in the U.S.? Do the workers actually work up there with no windows? I do not think so. Charvex (talk) 10:16, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Father Goose: Perhaps you could write a Wikipédia article about Mr. Miller's « double mansard », although it should be entitled « double-hip parapet roof ». Regards, Charvex (talk) 10:16, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I grant that McDonald's "double mansard" style is not a true mansard roof. It's a facade made to look like a mansard roof (i.e., steep and truncated). Nonetheless this roof style is widely referred to as "mansard" ([2]). It is at the very least a cosmetic approximation of an actual mansard roof -- so some mention of this "fake mansard" style deserves to be in this article. We can take the appropriate steps necessary to note that it is not a true mansard roof (and in some cases not even a roof, being just an angled parapet). But given that quite a few people have described this roof style as "mansard", and given that it is meant to be evocative of the true mansard style, we should make some mention of it here -- a paragraph or two noting its relationship to (and differences with) a true mansard roof.--Father Goose (talk) 20:41, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Father Goose: Thank you for the link with Google search results. Frankly, I am shocked how writers in the U.S. have adopted the term « double-mansard » to describe a McDonalds (and Pizza Hut) roof. I cannot stretch my imagination to understand this truely American term. (The whole point of Mansart's idea was to make an unusuable space functional; the so-called McDonalds « double-mansard » creates an ordinary, non-functional windowless void above an occupied space - with no gambrel shape and no dormers?!?!?) However, I concede to your sources. ----- My preference remains a separate article since both the design and functions are so unrelated, with a WikiLink under the See Also section. --- Be honest. It would make more sense to combine the Gambrel Roof article with this one, than to append something so completely unrelated as the « double-hip parapet roof » to this. But, I will leave that to you. Best regards, Charvex (talk) 23:07, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Why does Curb roof redirect here when this article covers only one type of curb roof?

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curb_roof#Identifying_a_mansard for more information. Based on that section, "Curb roof" requires either an article or a disambiguation page, rather than the current redirect page.

Sorry that all I can do is point this out. Thanks! --Geekdiva (talk) 11:54, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Could this be worded better?

The article states: "A significant difference between the two, for snow loading and water drainage, is that, when seen from above, Gambrel roofs culminate in a long, sharp point at the main roof beam, whereas Mansard roof always form a flat roof." What does that mean? A Mansard roof can just have a shorter ridge than a Gambrel. It doesn't require a central flat roof. I would think that the Gambrel roof would have an obtuse not sharp angle at the ridge if viewed from above. Dbroad (talk) 19:18, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

I agree. It is incorrect to state that a mansard roof 'always forms a flat roof' I am not sure where this idea comes from. A mansard roof is never flat, rather, it has two slopes on all sides of the building. The upper, less steep slope may not be visible from the ground.72.240.146.135 (talk) 04:39, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

What then do we call a roof with a genuinely flat top above the sloped parts, i.e. a hipped roof with a platform top? Marquetry28 (talk) 08:20, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

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US spelling?

A quotation supposedly from building regulations from London in the 1930s: "exclusive of two stories", i.e., not storeys. Someone's been using their US spellchecker, methinks. Nuttyskin (talk) 11:16, 25 March 2024 (UTC)