Talk:Manson Family

Italicized title

Why is the title italicized? It's not some studio album. Parsley Man (talk) 02:42, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

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Mendocino County section needed

Charlie sent an advance party to Mendoland with an eye to moving the Family there; he was also arrested there in 1967. Members of The Family were busted there on drug felonies, and later were suspects in double murder there of Clyda Dulaney and Nancy Warren on 13 October 1968, as can be seen in Websleuths.com and verified in their sources.

Georgejdorner (talk) 03:57, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Son Valentine

His son was named Valentine Michael. This is the name of the antagonist of Heinlin's Stranger in a Strange Land, a re-telling of the story of the Christ. Is this relevant? GreaseballNYC (talk) 06:46, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

Susan Atkins

What was that line about her defecating in the stairwell all about? Was her crime not offensive enough without us knowing that little tidbit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.39.234.59 (talk) 13:25, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Watermelon Rinds

Some reports of the murders claim that watermelon rinds were left at the murder scenes in order to frame black people, is there anything about this to the article or is just a legend?101.174.197.246 (talk) 05:31, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

I'd say it's a legend. They were fairly disorganized criminals.--Quisqualis (talk) 17:51, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

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"Alternative theories" section

I don't think the "copycat theory" warrants inclusion in the article. It was put forward by several Manson Family members as an attempt to exonerate Manson himself during the penalty phase of his trial, and was never taken seriously by the jury or anyone else, as it did not fit with any of the evidence, or make internal sense. The Manson girls later confirmed the Helter Skelter explanation (for instance, in this interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn2zULFwB_w#t=4m15s). To me, it seems like including it in the article appears to lend credibility to an attempt at misdirection that was never taken seriously. 68.43.7.151 (talk) 04:03, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

You are incorrect as it was the theory most believed in by the police and other prosecutors Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 05:27, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Where I think you may be confused is that even though Helter Skelter was most likely something Manson rambled about and possibly believed in, there is major discrepancy as to whether or not it was the motive. Samurai Kung fu Cowboy (talk) 05:28, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Unreliable source

An unreliable source, http://www.aboundinglove.org/, has been added repeatedly to this article. Any objection to removing it? Magnolia677 (talk) 10:34, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Gregg Jakobson

In what sense would Jakobson be a member of the "Manson Family cult" as it is claimed in the article? In the article on Jakobson it only says that he was a friend of Manson. That wouldn't automatically make him a cult member. --Bernardoni (talk) 23:14, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

"Comprehensive list"

The lead states that the group consisted of approximately 100 followers while the section "Confirmed members and associates" states The following is a comprehensive list of individuals associated with the Manson Family cult, but lists only 32 people. Presumably the list is not comprehensive, but is either *confirmed* persons or persons who have some degree of notability (not defined). This needs to be addressed? --LukeSurl ^t c 13:29, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Neo-Nazism?

Is there a source for his supposed Neo-Nazism? --Amakuha (talk) 20:21, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

His forehead, I suppose. _signed, Willondon (talk) 21:07, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

His forehead is not a reliable source.

I don't know about the US, but in ex-Soviet Union, at least, prisoners often made swastika tattoos as a symbol of "resistance to authority". It's a long way from the actual neo-Nazism. --Amakuha (talk) 02:06, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Moreover, his swastika tattoo appeared only when he was already in prison, so I don't see how the family could be a "neo-Nazi organization" based on the tattoo alone. --Amakuha (talk) 02:08, 1 November 2023 (UTC)