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Activism, basic health care and corporate profiteering

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I'm sure everyone updating here is a diehard truthseeker or a real martyr for the cause of HIV, but this women spent most of her adult living a very hard life in exile and made immeasurable contributions to the liberation of South Africa. She also made some groundbreaking contributions to Public Health by preventing corporate profiteering, and also oversaw the construction and deployment of probably more life-saving resources to the poor than most ministers on the planet.

So forgive me if I find this wiki-article biased and a little hypocritical, for overlooking large swathes of information, to focus exclusively on what was for all intents an economically crippling objective of delivering costly treatments in a country where basic health care is a challenge in itself. And whats the point of the John Robbie interview anyway? He was pushing her buttons after all, and that has hardly any meaning in the larger context of things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.15.237.33 (talk) 08:48, 17 December 2009 (UTC)Reply

I thought the purpose of interviewing politicians was to push their buttons. Perhaps he should have asked her what her favourite colour was.77.99.151.39 (talk) 09:00, 17 December 2009 (UTC)Reply

If you can find a reliable source that says she "oversaw the construction and deployment of probably more life-saving resources to the poor than most ministers on the planet" then feel free to add it to the article.
In what way do you think wikipedia (or its editors) are hypocritical? The fact remains that Manto persistently supported ridiculous "alternative" and "traditional" treatments for HIV/AIDS rather than evidence-based treatments; which has surely contributed to South Africa's awful statistics.
She gets off lightly; the article doesn't even enumerate how many tens of thousands may have died as a result of her awful quackery and denialism. Bobrayner (talk) 23:30, 18 December 2009 (UTC)Reply

Lemons and beetroot

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Should there not be more emphasis on the accusations that she is responsible for thousands of deaths due to her promoting AIDS cures using lemons and beetroots?— Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.54.97 (talk • contribs) 11:29, September 6, 2006 (UTC)

AIDS

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Opps, I didn't know she has a medical training. Kind of even make it harder to hypothesis why she and Mbeki thinks AIDS can be treated by eating fruits. In my opinion, she always sound like a bonehead and its unfortunate she is a health minister. I guess it has to get worse before they can see the light. Regrettably, that will also mean some poor soal will have to die. gathima 13:20, 25 September 2005 (UTC)Reply

I made some grammatical fixes, inparticular where "AIDS" was written as "Aids".

"A case that attracted much public attention was Nozipho Bhengu, daughter of an African National Congress legislator. The minister declined to attend her funeral, and her stand-in was booed off the podium." — Should be clarified; it's implied that this person died of AIDS, but I think it should be stated explicity otherwise it requires an assumption.

In February 2005, COSATU criticised the health department [3] for the failure to ensure that most of the 30 million rands used to establish the government's AIDS trust in 2002 had not been spent. They said only R520,000 of this money has been used and of this a large portion had been squandered on unoccupied offices for the SANAC secretariat, something that has drawn criticism from the auditor-general. — Meaning of the abbreviations COSATU and SANAC should be clarified in the article. The first sentence also doesn't seem to make sense, even after I expanded "R30m" to "30 million rands". Should it be "had not spent improperly"? JustSomeGuy 23:40, 20 August 2006 (UTC)Reply

Is it just me or does anyone else speculate that Manto has TB or even worst Aids? Last year she was in hospital quite a long time with a lung problem and yesterday she was not very coherent in her parliament speech. A nurse who works at the Joburg Gen Radiology department told a friend, that Manto’s chest X-Rays resembled a patient with Aids. How can this be? What does a TB patient’s lungs look like? If there is something in this wouldn’t the government try to cover up in light of her vegetables against Aids story.--Jcw69 12:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)Reply

Dr. Tshabalala-Msimang had a liver transplant in March 2007 http://www.doh.gov.za/docs/pr/pr0314-f.html

There is no indication she has AIDS, TB, or any other infectious disease. user:Nocontroversytalk 17:50, 1 May 2007 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the reference... I've worked it into the article. MastCell Talk 02:08, 2 May 2007 (UTC)Reply
The promptness of the liver transplant was a major controversy. Other liver transplant patients wait for months if they ever get one at all. It should be worked into the article. Roger (talk) 19:17, 23 November 2008 (UTC)Reply

Radio interview - not sure if I should remove it

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I see some IP address user has posted a section with a transcript of a radio interview between John Robbie and Manto - from about 3-4 years ago where he asked her if HIV caused AIDs and she refused to asnwer.
I'm not entirely opposed to having the transcript (although it might deserve its own article or something) but the problem is, are we allowed to use transcripts of radio interviews? Who knows?
Rfwoolf 12:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)Reply

We can use short quotes to illustrate a point, but that lengthy cut-and-paste is probably not only copyright-questionable, but an eyesore. We should really summarize it (e.g. "In a radio interview, MTM refused to answer a direct question on whether HIV was the cause of AIDS...") with a footnote to the transcript itself. MastCell Talk 17:14, 20 August 2007 (UTC)Reply
According to WP:PSTS, Wikipedia articles should rely mainly on published reliable secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources. Interviews are defined as primary sources. All interpretive analyses of primary sources must be referenced to a secondary source, rather than taking the form of an original analysis of the primary-source material.Vitaminman (talk) 21:28, 19 December 2009 (UTC)Reply

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I want to know more about Manto's training. Was her training conducted in Russian? Does she speak Russian? Is she able to register to practice medicine in Russia? Is she registrable to practice medicine in South Africa and/ or Botswana?

Does she have a higher degree in Gynaecology? If not did she attempt a higher degree and fail, and if so often did she attempt and fail? Does she have any higher training in infectious disease management?

She list "Publications". Are these in fact publications? Are they in peer review journals? (they look more like entries of her name in various "lists", and if so it is fraudulent to call them publications)

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