Talk:Manuel II of Portugal

Who succeeded Manuel II as claimant to the throne?

"Following his death, the seniority in the Royal House of Portugal was transferred to Miguel II, Duke of Braganza, his cousin." had been in the article. But this person had died 5 years earlier, so it was impossible for him to become the claimant. Someone who knows, please add to the Article the succession to the claim. StanZegel 23:21, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

See Duke of Braganza. It would seem to have been Duarte Nuno of Bragança and the current claimant is Duarte Pio, Duke of Braganza. RickK 23:41, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC)

• Rick is perfectly correct! Muriel - 62.252.0.4 10:13, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

After the death of the king Manuel the only legitimate heiress to portuguese throne was his half-sister Maria Pia de Saxe Coburg Braganza , the recognized daughter of the king Carlos and the unique Saxe Coburg Braganza's heir in that moment still alive. 22 Sept 2005 (UTC)

Even assuming that the alleged half-sister of Manuel, Hilda Toledano, were in fact the illegitimate daughter of King Carlos, under the Portuguese Constitution she would be outside the line of succession, as only legitimate descendants of the House of Saxe-Coburg-Braganza could inherit the throne. The Dark 16:36, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Exile in England

This is ironic since Portugal (Estoril) has been the favored exile of all deposed kings ever since. --dunnhaupt 14:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Hmm? Emperor Karl of Austria went to Madeira (which is not Estoril), and the Count of Barcelona and Umberto II seemed to live in Estoril, but that's hardly all deposed kings ever since. The only other one I can find who was in Portugal was Carol II of Romania. His son Michael of Romania resides in Switzerland, Simeon of Bulgaria lived in Spain, the Kaiser resided in the Netherlands; Peter II of Yugoslavia lived in the United States, as did his son until his return to Serbia; Constantine II is in Britain, and his uncle George II was in exile in Romania and Britain during the First Republic; Constantine I had taken his exile in Switzerland; Ferdinand I of Bulgaria appears to have resided in Gerany, although I'm not certain of that. Victor Emmanuel III lived in Egypt after his abdication. Alfonso XIII lived in France and Italy. Most of the German princes never went into exile, as far as I'm aware, although Ludwig III of Bavaria spent some time in Austria and Switzerland. john k 14:59, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Title in pretence?

Is this the proper way to style Manuel post-revolution? According to the article on pretenders, a deposed monarch does not hold titles in pretence. The Dark 16:28, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

This does seem a bit off. Basically, as I understand it, Manuel was still properly called King Manuel II of Portugal. He was, however, no longer the King of Portugal. Does that make sense? He was still a King, but he was no longer the King of Portugal. john k 17:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

John is right. Basically, a king is a king unless he says he is no longer a king. Titles don't disappear but power and privelege can be taken away from them. Charles 20:38, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

King Manuel never abdicated and never recognised the republican regime so he kept his title of King (Republican documents and newspapers will refer to him as the former king -in their more polite moments, much worst names in their least polite but for monarchists and the general populace untill his death he was called "king Dom Manuel"). An interesting fact (even funny I would say) is that in his death certificate (british from the Twickenham registry) under profession it was written "ex-king". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.60.85.5 (talk) 15:34, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Emmanuel's Demise

Do we have any information on the former King's cause of death? Something we could add to the article? GoodDay 19:19, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

According to the kings death certificate it was thru asfixiation because of an ulcer in the throat. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.60.85.5 (talk) 15:36, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Photographs of the King

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Manuel_II.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bear1952 (talk • contribs) 01:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

More Questions

What is his connection to King George VI of Great Britain? Did he ever share a coalition with England and for how long? Also are the dates correct? I thought that he was born much later in 1934 and died much later in 1994. Is the reportage covering a clocked time and not a date? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.158.126.234 (talk) 20:12, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Portugal and Britain have the longest standing alliance treaty in the World (since 1373) so yes Portugal had and has a coalition with the United Kingdom. Also King Edward VII visited Lisbon in 1903 (King Carlos was an active diplomat and promoted state visits of the Kaiser and the king of Spain and others at different times) so Edward VII would have known the portuguese royal family personally before the regicide. King Manuel was one of the kings present at the funeral of Edward VII, again showing the good relations between the two families. According to several newspaper articles in the british press, the british royal family was very fond of Manuel and he was a frequent guest of the british royal family. Manuel wasa well esteemed person in Twickenham, often sponsoring local social events, donating cups and litle prizes or objects for charity auctions and by attending these events -obviously making them more socially atractive. What happen to his family and his status of an exile ment that the british in general and their royal family felt a lot of sympathy for him.

Another older link between the two royal families was that Queen Maria II of Portugal and Queen Victoria (of similar age) had met when Maria, on her way to assume the crown, was diverted to britain because her uncle, Miguel, made a coup. Maria met Victoria when she was still not a queen and was still living a difficult life under her mother and her mothers lover. The two became friends and corresponded untill Marias's death and Queen Victoria kept corresponding with the portuguese royal family in a protective gesture towards the children of her friend. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.60.85.5 (talk) 15:59, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

His writing

This http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7426349.stm says "Meanwhile, Portugal's Manuel II, who established a new life as an aristocrat in England, wrote a guide to medieval and Renaissance Portuguese literature but died before his own literary career could really flourish" . Although mentioned in passing in the article, it would be nice to know what the book title was. 80.2.200.73 (talk) 14:16, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Aquilino Ribeiro shot the king?

Aquilino Ribeiro didnt shot anyone... i think this is wrong for purpose... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.175.171.187 (talk) 14:40, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

There is no evidence that Aquilino shot (at) the king. There is a legend of a third shooter and Aquilino was closely envolved with the regicides so a suspicion remains that he did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.60.85.5 (talk) 16:03, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Duel with Manuel Buiça

In the "Revolution and exile" section, it says this: "After his duel with the republican dissident Manuel Buiça in the Oporto Cathedral, a further three days of almost constant street fighting were enough to drive out the young King." What is this talking about? Manuel Buiça died in 1908. Wideangle (talk) 21:52, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Birth as reported here.

I'm sure it's just me being foolish, but i can't make any sense currently out of these two sentences in the Biography section: Young Manuel was born in the last year of the reign of his grandfather, King Luís I. He was the third child[1], and last son, born to Carlos I of Portugal and Amélie of Orleans in the Palace of Belém, Lisbon, two months after his father ascended the Portuguese throne. As i read the rest of the article the first sentence is correct ~ he was born in March of the last year (1889) of Luís's reign. But the second sentence i quote is pretty clear in claiming that his father took the throne before he (Manuel) was born. Before i "correct" this, can someone explain what i'm missing? Cheers, Lindsay^Hi 18:17, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

I guess you can blame me for that confusion. Both sentences are analogous, but bring in separate interpretations: he was born in the last year of King Luis I reign, OR specifically, two months before his father, D. Carlos, became the King. Please feel free to edit.Ruben JC (Zeorymer) (talk) 08:39, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

I have changed it so the chronology is now in line with the article of his father. Specifically, he was born seven months before the ascension of his father, not two months after as it read previously. I believe it now makes sense. Cheers, Lindsay^Hi 08:38, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

King of Traulitânia

I removed the title "King of Traulitânia" which doesn't exist. It seems to me like the senseless promotion of an article by linking it in the info box and succession box. Monarchy of the North has already got its own section and article, there is no such title as "King of Traulitânia" and Manuel did not recognize the restoration. This should be treated like the situation in Hungary after 1918 and Charles I of Austria and the similar Charles I of Austria's attempts to retake the throne of Hungary; the boxes for Charles don't call him King of Hungary after 1918 even though Hungary was a monarchy in 1920–1946.--The Emperor's New Spy (talk) 02:18, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

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Portrait

The current portrait doesn’t look great, I am proposing a newer portrait. Deppiyy (talk) 18:16, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

I agree the old image doesn’t look great. It’s blurry and not a good quality image. The proposed image by Deppiyy is much better. Orson12345 (talk) 23:58, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Did he have any last words? And if yes, what did he say?

I'm pretty sure he tried to talk while gasping for air Historyisforyouandme (talk) 21:47, 2 September 2023 (UTC)