Talk:Mao-spontex

Sponti in the German context is broader than the spontanaeist Maoists

This page is linked to the German page de:Sponti, and the intro suggests that Sponti is the German translation for Mao-Spontex, but the term Sponti in German refers to post-68 marxist spontanaeists in general, and even non-dogmatic Spontenaiests. A retrospective in Der Spiegel presents recollections of someone in the 70s Sponti scene who specifically juxtaposes the behavior of Maoists to Spontis. This article also specifically calls out Spontis as a group separate and opposed to Maoists, as does this article. The decision to connect this article to Sponti mainly seems to stem from a decision from editors on the French page, as there is a lone French-only comment on the German discussion for Sponti, where a lone editor explains they are linking Mao-spontex to Sponti because in a Daniel Cohn-Bendit book Joschka Fischer is quoted as referring to the "anarcho-mao-spontex" movement. Also, there is a book review in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (a conservative business newspaper equivalent to the Wall Street Journal or the Financial Times), where a reviewer refers to "anarcho-mao-spontex" in his book review. In the Spiegel article I linked to above, "Keine Macht für niemand, the interview subject even refers to "BUG" - Berliner undogmatische Gruppen (Berlin Undogmatic Groups). Based on the other articles, while it is perfectly possible that Maoist Spontis existed, or that Spontis included Maoists among others, I would actually argue that Mao-Spontex is a subset of Sponti, at least in the German context, or maybe more specifically refers to the French situation. -Furicorn (talk) 06:45, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Neologism

What kind of coverage/use does this term have outside of being a neologism to refer to an antiauthoritarian element of France's far left? Does it have any play beyond France in the 1960s or is there a better umbrella concept that could include both the Mao-spontex and Sponti designations? czar 13:42, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

I think it's pretty clear that the overarching theme would be Post 68 revolutionary spontanaeists in Europe. Having sort of skimmed the French article, it seems to be a bit more clear that the scene spanned Maoists and non-ideological spontenaeists, as opposed to the scant English article. The French article describes groups in various countries as falling under this header; in Belgium (La Parole au Peuple (PAP)); Switzerland (Rupture pour le communisme, RPLC and Centre de Liaison Politique, CLP); and in Italy (Lotta Continua). Lotta Continua one struck me as particularly strange - I have heard of them referred to as Workerist, and Spontenaeism also seems plausible, but I don't know much about their Maoism. Looking it:Lotta Continua, they don't mention any Maoism in the ideology section of their org-box. Luckily, there was a reference to Storming Heaven by Steve Wright listed on the French page, and looking at the index, the only mention of Maoism in the book was to note that Mario Tronti, one of the major Workerist theorists, was uninterested in Maoism. My best guess is that Maoism was very popular in Francophone Europe, and less popular elsewhere. So, Mao-spontex might correctly describe this current in French, but I'm not sure what the correct term is in English. On the flipside, this current is not primarily about Maoism, except maybe in France, so perhaps this might be better as a section under Revolutionary Spontanaeity or something. -Furicorn (talk) 18:18, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Makes sense and agreed that a section in Revolutionary spontaneity would set up for a summary style split if later necessary czar 18:36, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

I agree that a different larger umbrella page for Revolutionary Spontaneity would be great. It could cover many adjacent movements in Europe and could even put Mao-Spontex into a larger historical context. This page has obviously gone though many iterations of including those other movements and then not per previous talk topics. For now I've shaped it a bit to specifically focus on the French Mao-Spontex tendency that bore the name since it's pretty idiosyncratic. Mycoolsighman (talk) 02:51, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

some corrections on maoism

Maoism was influential outside of France in Europe, and many adventurist, (if not categorized as spontaneist) groups like RAF or the third-worldist KAK in Denmark existed. 217.116.228.10 (talk) 12:46, 23 December 2022 (UTC)