Talk:Marble Hill, Manhattan

Harlem River

So the portion of the Harlem River separating Marble Hill from Manhattan island is, in fact, a man-made canal? -24.149.193.49 (talk) 00:01, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes. That's the reason the neighborhood exists as it does today. The picture at top shows the Harlem Ship Canal, and it should obviously be labeled that way for every encyclopedic purpose - the truthful and most informative presentation. This article is about a human-made settlement and this is its defining human-made feature. The Harlem River is of course much longer but this article is not about the Harlem River it is about Marble Hill, a relatively small area, and to this day, the water channel south of Marble Hill is the Harlem Ship Canal. -- Alanscottwalker (talk) 16:15, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

I would appreciate your thoughts on my recent edits. Please see Tieck (1968) for more, who provides the most comprehensive account of Marble Hill that seems to exist. Wwaasshhiirrvv (talk) 18:51, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Where is the Bronx/Manhattan boundary?

I live on 231st street, Bronx. I have walked many times from 225 (still Manhattan) to 231st street on Broadway and on Bailey Ave. There is no sign in between or anything that informs where Manhattan ends and where the Bronx begins. I thought the limit might be some street, but no street has any sign indicating that the limit of Manhattan is right there. Maybe a GPS reading would be the only way to determine where the limit is.

The subway map in the 225th street station has a nice dashed line border. Steg. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.203.7 (talk) 02:58, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

There is a mall in Marble Hill (Rive Plaza I believe), and all banks, restaurants, stores, even Starbucks, claim they are in the Bronx. Maybe they are just not well informed, or they don't care.

That's because their postal address is a Bronx zip code, though they are technically in Manhattan.

Marble Hill is not technically Manhattan; it is Manhattan. The same logic that brings people to the conclusion that Marble Hill is in the Bronx (the 'because it's on the mainland' argument) should also bring you to the conclusion that Roosevelt Island isn't part of Manhattan either, that Brooklyn and Queens are the same borough, and that the Bronx is still part of Westchester County. By the way, there is actually a sign on Broadway at 230th Street (right past the Marble Hill projects) that says "The Bronx: All-America City" -EJ220 17:52, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Isn't that sign a bit of a misnomer, as the Bronx is NOT a city in the municipal sense, but rather a borough of New York City? -24.149.193.49 (talk) 00:03, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

According to the current community board website [1], the Marble Hill neighborhood is represented by Bronx Community board 8. PaigePhault 22:21, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

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  Actually marble hill is a part of manhattan. At some point it was connected to manhattan and the bridge there and the water way are man made. It was blown open pananma canal style and the water way was manipulated not natural.
  Tecnically manhattan was not a complete island there was a part that was connected to the bronx. That is why marble hill is manhattan and somebody actually picked where manahattan ends/starts and where the bronx starts or ends.
  For postal code reasons the bronx zoned it to minimize confusion. The sighn that tells you that youre in manahattan is actually in what marle hill project residents call the "orange park". AT some point it was all painted orange thats the only sighn there. If not you would never know you are in manhattan and that river plaza mall crosses manhattan and the bronx.

For as long as humans have been around, Manhattan has ALWAYS been an island, and was not connected to the Bronx. As the article states, the Harlem River (a natural river and not man-mad) once separated Marble Hill from the Bronx and Marble Hill was connected to the rest of Manhattan. As for postal codes, one- the Bronx does not and never has determined what ZIP code goes where, only the USPS does, states and their municipalities are not allowed by federal law to interfere. second- who cares what the ZIP code is in determining where something is or what its name is? The USPS could decide suddenly to put Harlem under the name Albany and give it a 12209 ZIP code but Harlem would still be Manhattan and the city of New York, political boundaries and names are all that matters to define a place, ZIP codes are just to make delivering mail more efficient and nothing else.Camelbinky 15:24, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Where's the Plaque?

I live in Washington Heights, Manhattan, and commute to Riverdale in The Bronx for school. Traveling through/over "Manhattan-on-the-Mainland" every day on the subway/bus has made me interested in the geological and geographical history of Marble Hill and Kingsbridge. The article says — At 210 West 230th Street on the southwest corner of Broadway and 230th is a plaque designating the area as the site of the Kings Bridge. However, I went looking for that plaque a few days ago and couldn't find it. Anyone got more current or exact information as to where it is? A picture for the article would be nice.

Call me Steg (no account yet). Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.203.7 (talk) 02:57, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Why is it still apart of Manhattan?

Most of the information and sources seem to indicate that it's apart of the Bronx in every way except name: the people think they live in the Bronx, all the stores say they're in the Bronx, the have Bronx zip codes, the receive services from the Bronx, and are a part of a Bronx community board. What's the reason for keeping it officially apart of Manhattan? It seems superfluous. FamAD123 (talk) 23:28, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

The article should be more clear but I am not sure where to find more sources. It is a part of Manhattan because no one wishes to change it, and it will remain a part of Manhattan unless the community would agree to do lots of legal work to change things. I have been unable to find any reliable sources which talk about changing borough. Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:02, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Google maps lists Marble hill as part of Manhattan. PointsofNoReturn (talk) 23:50, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

It is part of the Borough of Manhattan (i.e. New York County), but it is no longer physically part of the island of Manhattan.

@Blueraspberry - You haven't been able to find anything because no one in Marble Hill is interested in changing. Being part of Manhattan is much more prestigious, and changing to being part of the Bronx would, in practical terms, change nothing - they already get police, fire, ambulance etc. services from the Bronx. BMK (talk) 02:23, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Yup. And besides all that, making that change isn't something the Marble Hill community could just up and do on a whimsical notion. 'Twould require redrawing the county line, which would also require state-level action (I think, although New York state does have some really squirrely laws wrt to political boundaries so not 100% certain). If it ain't broke, don't fix it :P. 2600:1702:4960:1DE0:6CB7:62BD:5DB:4891 (talk) 00:36, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

References

Orphaned references in Marble Hill, Manhattan

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Marble Hill, Manhattan's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "NYCPlanning":

• From Greenwich Village: "NYC Planning | Community Profiles". communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov. New York City Department of City Planning. Retrieved March 18, 2019.
• From West Farms, Bronx: "NYC Planning | Community Profiles". communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov. New York City Department of City Planning. Retrieved March 5, 2018.
• From Murray Hill, Manhattan: "NYC Planning | Community Profiles". communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov. New York City Department of City Planning. Retrieved March 18, 2019.
• From Inwood, Manhattan: "NYC Planning | Community Profiles". communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov. New York City Department of City Planning. Retrieved March 18, 2019.
• From Morningside Heights, Manhattan: "NYC Planning | Community Profiles". communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov. New York City Department of City Planning. Retrieved March 18, 2019.
• From Financial District, Manhattan: "NYC Planning | Community Profiles". communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov. New York City Department of City Planning. Retrieved March 18, 2019.
• From Morrisania, Bronx: "NYC Planning | Community Profiles". communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov. New York City Department of City Planning. Retrieved 25 February 2018.
• From Upper East Side: "NYC Planning | Community Profiles". communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov. New York City Department of City Planning. Retrieved March 18, 2019.
• From Harlem: "NYC Planning | Community Profiles". communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov. New York City Department of City Planning. Retrieved March 18, 2019.
• From Hudson Yards (neighborhood), Manhattan: "NYC Planning | Community Profiles". communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov. New York City Department of City Planning. Retrieved March 18, 2019.
• From Bedford Park, Bronx: "NYC Planning | Community Profiles". communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov. New York City Department of City Planning. Retrieved March 3, 2018.
• From Theater District, Manhattan: "New York City Department of City Planning". NYC.gov. Archived from the original on March 14, 2013. Retrieved March 3, 2013. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
• From Morris Heights, Bronx: "NYC Planning | Community Profiles". communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov. New York City Department of City Planning. Retrieved March 3, 2018.
• From Highbridge, Bronx: "NYC Planning | Community Profiles". communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov. New York City Department of City Planning. Retrieved February 25, 2018.
• From Morris Park, Bronx: "NYC Planning | Community Profiles". communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov. New York City Department of City Planning. Retrieved 3 March 2018.
• From Baychester, Bronx: "NYC Planning | Community Profiles". communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov. New York City Department of City Planning. Retrieved February 25, 2018.
• From Melrose, Bronx: "NYC Planning | Community Profiles". communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov. New York City Department of City Planning. Retrieved 25 February 2018.
• From Alphabet City, Manhattan: "NYC Planning | Community Profiles". communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov. New York City Department of City Planning. Retrieved March 18, 2019.
• From Upper West Side: "NYC Planning | Community Profiles". communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov. New York City Department of City Planning. Retrieved March 18, 2019.
• From Parkchester, Bronx: "NYC Planning | Community Profiles". communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov. New York City Department of City Planning. Retrieved March 4, 2018.
• From Midtown Manhattan: "NYC Planning | Community Profiles". communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov. New York City Department of City Planning. Retrieved March 18, 2019.
• From Longwood, Bronx: "NYC Planning | Community Profiles". communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov. New York City Department of City Planning. Retrieved February 25, 2018.
• From Co-op City, Bronx: "NYC Planning | Community Profiles". communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov. New York City Department of City Planning. Retrieved February 25, 2018.
• From East Harlem: "NYC Planning | Community Profiles". communityprofiles.planning.nyc.gov. New York City Department of City Planning. Retrieved March 18, 2019.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 04:29, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Marble Hill Volunteer Hose Company 1

For a brief period while Marble Hill was an island unto itself, it was protected by a volunteer fire company. Organized on May 18th, 1895, Marble Hill Volunteer Hose Company No. 1 was the only fire protection the island had. They were supplied a hose reel cart, hose and tools by the FDNY until the company was eventually no longer needed and disbanded once the canal was filled in and the area was accessible by fire apparatus from the Bronx. NYCVFD Historian (talk) 05:54, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Link broken

The link to the marble hill alliance is broken. It references GoDaddy.com

http://www.marblehillalliance.com/ 107.15.20.55 (talk) 19:38, 20 July 2024 (UTC)