Talk:Marble cake

This article ins unfinished and unencyclopedic, marblecake is a well known sexual practice and it should be stated somewhere--Warkos (talk) 04:05, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Also, the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.252.194.148 (talk) 22:50, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Alright, i don't get it. What is the connection between moot, marble cake, and the game, besides time magazine? --AM-2091 (talk) 06:07, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

There are a few things you must know about the Internet - #1 Don't talk about /b/ #2 DON'T TALK ABOUT /b/! #3 Don't talk about marble cake! #4 Don't think about The Game! 71.1.76.168 (talk) 07:59, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

THE GAME —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.153.82.156 (talk) 00:38, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.124.89.67 (talk) 07:38, 22 October 2009 (UTC)

lulz —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.230.102 (talk) 12:03, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

No I realised the difference between the German and the English wikipedia. 188.110.196.150 (talk) 12:01, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

World's largest marble cake

I removed the text about the world's largest marble cake. It currently is half of the whole article, and seems to give unbalanced emphasis to discussing which marble cake is technically the largest.

In an encyclopedia article about marble cake, I'm not sure if there even needs to be a mention of which is the largest cake at any point in time. It's likely to change, so with an eye towards avoiding WP:RECENTISM, I removed it. If others think it should be added back, there should probably only be one or two sentences on the topic (with secondary sources used to show its significance). - Whisperjanes (talk) 07:27, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

@Whisperjanes: The episode aired on YouTube on Aug. 11, 2019 - more than a year ago when you wrote the last comment. The AV Club, EW, and Time all wrote articles on the episode, which is notable for this specific incited incident. Off the top of my head, AV Club is a perennial source for exactly this kind of article. Theleekycauldron (talk) 06:05, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

I'd argue it warrants inclusion, but needs to be reformatted since Googling "world's largest marble cake" brings up this very article, but the formatting makes it seem like the Saudi Arabian one is the largest, which complicates the whole "The official Guinness record is wrong" thing even further. Planned Planethood (talk) 15:46, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

@Planned Planethood: I changed it but the google infographic isn't - hopefully it does within a few days. Theleekycauldron (talk) 21:51, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

@Theleekycauldron: Glad this got a conversation started, and thank you for adding the extra sources (they're much better than the ones before). Just to clarify, I made the above comment when the article looked like this, and there were maintenance tags about cleaning it up that needed to be addressed, so I decided to delete the content. After that, others added the content back and shortened it down to 3 sentences with major improvements.

I’m not against mentioning the world record. Do I still think that section is WP:UNDUE and that the article skews toward recent history? Yes. Would the article be improved if it covered more of the overall history of marble cakes, rather than half of it being about the last 5 years? I would think so. But that is a bit of a separate issue. The world record section has been improved and looks much better, but now it only seems unbalanced because the article is missing a large chunk of history. - Whisperjanes (talk) 21:38, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Theleekycauldron, Planned Planethood - Actually, I do have a bit of a concern with this edit (but maybe I'm missing something in the citations?) - none of the sources seem to say that Oliver's cake is the "world's largest marble cake", but they seem to be careful to just mention that it is "large" or "very large" or that Oliver's plan was to make the world's largest cake. As far as I can tell, there's no independent source that says the cake on the episode was the world's largest marble cake (but please correct me if I'm wrong). Even Oliver didn't state that - he said he planned to make a 600 square foot cake, the world's largest, but that their plans were messed up when Guinness refused to send someone to certify. At the end of the episode, he doesn't mention its actual size, but simply that it's the "world's largest marble cake depicting a guy falling off a horse". Which Bloomberg seems to say was the category that Oliver applied for with the Guinness World Record.[1]

Also, even if it was 600 square feet and an independent source stated that, this particular Guinness record seems to be measured by weight, not length (according to their website), so I don't think a comparison can be made.

I still think the section needs some tweaking because of this. Sometimes entertainment or non-independent sources will say things that will sound a certain way, but unless there is a reliable source specifically stating a fact, it can be easily misinterpreted - I've seen this happen on Wikipedia before, which is why WP:OR is usually not allowed - There's too much room for error. But I could be wrong (I haven't scoured the whole internet); so let me know if I missed something. - Whisperjanes (talk) 21:51, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

I know this may seem pedantic, but based on my above reasoning, I'm reverting the phrasing of the article to an earlier version from around March of last year, before it was rewritten to say explicitly that Oliver's was the world's largest. AV Club seems to be the only reliable source that says the cake is the "biggest" marble cake without some sort of caveat.

For example, the TIME citation doesn't explicitly mention it's the largest, but the closest I can see it gets to saying that is: "Oliver decided the best way to get under Berdimuhamedov’s skin would be to bake the world’s largest marble cake featuring the “human rights abusing horse f–ker”". That is saying that Oliver "decided" and "would", not that he "did"; and even then it has the caveat of it being the world's largest featuring Berdimuhamedov, not just the world's largest. Per WP:EXCEPTIONAL (and WP:SYNTH), this would need more high quality sources to make the claim it was the world's largest. - Whisperjanes (talk) 01:32, 17 January 2024 (UTC)