Talk:Marcus Cutler
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editThe EMU football media guide lists him as "Marcus D. Cutler", and I have to take that as more reliable than CFDW and other such sources in this regard. Pending additional information, I think we need to list him as "Cutler". cmadler (talk) 21:34, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- FYI, he's on page 176 of the 2010 media guide. I'll check some of my print-only sources when I get home tonight and see if I can find more info. cmadler (talk) 21:35, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- Sounds good--I'll bow out of that research and let you look it up. FWIW, College Football Reference has him as "Carter" as well, and google news/searches on my part came up inconclusive...--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:38, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not finding much so far. I may have to visit the university archives, or at least give them a call. One thing I am finding, however, is that while today EMU lists football coaches as they are currently in the navbox, contemporary accounts refer to these men with the title "manager". They seem to have primarily had responsiblity for scheduling matches, and the team captains were the on-field leaders. My sense is that the first coach in the way we use the word today was probably Clayton Teetzel (1900-02), who, unlike the prior "coaches", had already graduated before he held the position (LL.B. from Michigan in 1900), and who went on to coach for 14 subsequent years at other schools. So I think that Teetzel was maybe the first real coach at the school, and the earlier listed coaches were really student managers. But, for now, that's original research and can't be used. Also, I saw something else I'm going to dig deeper on that said that although MSNS joined the MIAA in 1892, they didn't compete in MIAA football until 1897, playing only 1 or 2 conference game a year before that. Just a few things to think about and look into further. cmadler (talk) 13:23, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- I've emailed CFBDW and CFR asking about their source(s) for "Carter". cmadler (talk) 13:37, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- That's interesting about the on-field coach/captain and off-field coach/manager. I think other schools may have done that too. That said, the "head coach" of programs today have many assistants. Some have both OCs and DCs, so it may not be as far from this as we might initially think.--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:45, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- I've emailed CFBDW and CFR asking about their source(s) for "Carter". cmadler (talk) 13:37, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not finding much so far. I may have to visit the university archives, or at least give them a call. One thing I am finding, however, is that while today EMU lists football coaches as they are currently in the navbox, contemporary accounts refer to these men with the title "manager". They seem to have primarily had responsiblity for scheduling matches, and the team captains were the on-field leaders. My sense is that the first coach in the way we use the word today was probably Clayton Teetzel (1900-02), who, unlike the prior "coaches", had already graduated before he held the position (LL.B. from Michigan in 1900), and who went on to coach for 14 subsequent years at other schools. So I think that Teetzel was maybe the first real coach at the school, and the earlier listed coaches were really student managers. But, for now, that's original research and can't be used. Also, I saw something else I'm going to dig deeper on that said that although MSNS joined the MIAA in 1892, they didn't compete in MIAA football until 1897, playing only 1 or 2 conference game a year before that. Just a few things to think about and look into further. cmadler (talk) 13:23, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
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